▲ 1387 ▼ Hawaii just entirely removed corporations' power to spend money in politics. This could be a game changer for US democracy. (www.youtube.com) submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Canconda@lemmy.ca to c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world 180 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://www.americanprogress.org/article/addressing-questions-surrounding-hawaiis-bold-move-to-undo-citizens-united/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYSEGhzgHKv/ CONTACT YOUR STATE LEVEL REPRESENTATIVE NOW!! https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Which bill are you referring to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 26 points 3 months ago (5 children) Quick search, I found this from Reuters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] stickly@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (2 children) Holy shit that is insane Judge rules Fenwick Island's corporate voting does not dilute human votes So I can buy a building and sell closet space to other companies (which I also own) for infinite voting power. This is absurd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) What’s preventing a megacorp from buying a bunch of small shell companies and voting in their own best interest? I am curious how the voting actually works, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Or every citizen to register ten corps each and fight back with more votes... Won't end well, no matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago There it is. 😐 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago Yeah, it seems like a very simple argument that since every individual owner of a corporation gets a vote, that the owners as a group should not get an additional vote. I mean, the courts are no longer about what's logical or fair, obviously, but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 18 points 3 months ago (2 children) "However, plaintiff has not demonstrated that this policy violates the principle of one person/entity/one vote." Never in my life have I ever seen it written this way. I also like the note about there being “far more corporations” in DE than residents. So I guess this is just a case of it not having been demonstrated yet. I wonder how much it costs to license a company in DE. I wonder how hard it would be for the Internet to absolutely make these morons eat their words. 2 elections? 3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) $110 to file an LLC, plus $300/yr fee. Delaware has a turnout around 500k voters. Assume say 25% are absolute morons who will swallow any propaganda you put out. $41 million + recurring $112 million buys you enough corporate votes to win every vote in the state. Welcome to Shadowrun without all the fun parts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago This is the next thing for the r/wallstreetbets folks should do! Put all that GME $$$ to good use! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) I like that except they will definitely find a way to undercut that right quick just like they did with the GameStop stuff, illegally I might add permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago It’s funny I was looking through my notifications and saw this one after replying to the other guy with my GME comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Wait what did they do with the GameStop stuff? I haven’t heard of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Robinhood canceled a bunch of people's trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago Oh no. It's not even new. WTF, Delaware? Nonresident voting in local elections has been permitted in Fenwick Island since it was incorporated in 1953, according to the court ruling. In 2008, Delaware's General Assembly amended the charter to allow non-resident voting by artificial entities, including corporations, partnerships, trusts and limited liability companies, which must be chartered in Delaware. Several other towns in Delaware allow companies and other legal entities to vote in local elections if they own property in the municipality. So not only is the state of DE a tax haven, and cravenly pro-corporate at that, but this would allow all those companies chartered there (with nothing more than a rented closet and PO Box) to continue to vote for the status quo. If the good people of that state wanted to vote these assholes out and/or make corporate voting illegal, it's possible that they no longer can. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Can we just wipe Delaware off the map and replace it with Puerto Rico? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago PLEASE DO! permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago So, the ruling requires you to own land. So someone should buy a few acres and sell 1x1 foot lots for a boat load of money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 26 points 3 months ago (5 children) Quick search, I found this from Reuters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] stickly@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (2 children) Holy shit that is insane Judge rules Fenwick Island's corporate voting does not dilute human votes So I can buy a building and sell closet space to other companies (which I also own) for infinite voting power. This is absurd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) What’s preventing a megacorp from buying a bunch of small shell companies and voting in their own best interest? I am curious how the voting actually works, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Or every citizen to register ten corps each and fight back with more votes... Won't end well, no matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago There it is. 😐 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago Yeah, it seems like a very simple argument that since every individual owner of a corporation gets a vote, that the owners as a group should not get an additional vote. I mean, the courts are no longer about what's logical or fair, obviously, but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 18 points 3 months ago (2 children) "However, plaintiff has not demonstrated that this policy violates the principle of one person/entity/one vote." Never in my life have I ever seen it written this way. I also like the note about there being “far more corporations” in DE than residents. So I guess this is just a case of it not having been demonstrated yet. I wonder how much it costs to license a company in DE. I wonder how hard it would be for the Internet to absolutely make these morons eat their words. 2 elections? 3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) $110 to file an LLC, plus $300/yr fee. Delaware has a turnout around 500k voters. Assume say 25% are absolute morons who will swallow any propaganda you put out. $41 million + recurring $112 million buys you enough corporate votes to win every vote in the state. Welcome to Shadowrun without all the fun parts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago This is the next thing for the r/wallstreetbets folks should do! Put all that GME $$$ to good use! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) I like that except they will definitely find a way to undercut that right quick just like they did with the GameStop stuff, illegally I might add permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago It’s funny I was looking through my notifications and saw this one after replying to the other guy with my GME comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Wait what did they do with the GameStop stuff? I haven’t heard of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Robinhood canceled a bunch of people's trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago Oh no. It's not even new. WTF, Delaware? Nonresident voting in local elections has been permitted in Fenwick Island since it was incorporated in 1953, according to the court ruling. In 2008, Delaware's General Assembly amended the charter to allow non-resident voting by artificial entities, including corporations, partnerships, trusts and limited liability companies, which must be chartered in Delaware. Several other towns in Delaware allow companies and other legal entities to vote in local elections if they own property in the municipality. So not only is the state of DE a tax haven, and cravenly pro-corporate at that, but this would allow all those companies chartered there (with nothing more than a rented closet and PO Box) to continue to vote for the status quo. If the good people of that state wanted to vote these assholes out and/or make corporate voting illegal, it's possible that they no longer can. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Can we just wipe Delaware off the map and replace it with Puerto Rico? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago PLEASE DO! permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago So, the ruling requires you to own land. So someone should buy a few acres and sell 1x1 foot lots for a boat load of money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stickly@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (2 children) Holy shit that is insane Judge rules Fenwick Island's corporate voting does not dilute human votes So I can buy a building and sell closet space to other companies (which I also own) for infinite voting power. This is absurd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) What’s preventing a megacorp from buying a bunch of small shell companies and voting in their own best interest? I am curious how the voting actually works, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Or every citizen to register ten corps each and fight back with more votes... Won't end well, no matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago There it is. 😐 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago Yeah, it seems like a very simple argument that since every individual owner of a corporation gets a vote, that the owners as a group should not get an additional vote. I mean, the courts are no longer about what's logical or fair, obviously, but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) What’s preventing a megacorp from buying a bunch of small shell companies and voting in their own best interest? I am curious how the voting actually works, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Or every citizen to register ten corps each and fight back with more votes... Won't end well, no matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago There it is. 😐 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Or every citizen to register ten corps each and fight back with more votes... Won't end well, no matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago There it is. 😐 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheColonel@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago There it is. 😐 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago Yeah, it seems like a very simple argument that since every individual owner of a corporation gets a vote, that the owners as a group should not get an additional vote. I mean, the courts are no longer about what's logical or fair, obviously, but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 18 points 3 months ago (2 children) "However, plaintiff has not demonstrated that this policy violates the principle of one person/entity/one vote." Never in my life have I ever seen it written this way. I also like the note about there being “far more corporations” in DE than residents. So I guess this is just a case of it not having been demonstrated yet. I wonder how much it costs to license a company in DE. I wonder how hard it would be for the Internet to absolutely make these morons eat their words. 2 elections? 3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) $110 to file an LLC, plus $300/yr fee. Delaware has a turnout around 500k voters. Assume say 25% are absolute morons who will swallow any propaganda you put out. $41 million + recurring $112 million buys you enough corporate votes to win every vote in the state. Welcome to Shadowrun without all the fun parts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago This is the next thing for the r/wallstreetbets folks should do! Put all that GME $$$ to good use! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) I like that except they will definitely find a way to undercut that right quick just like they did with the GameStop stuff, illegally I might add permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago It’s funny I was looking through my notifications and saw this one after replying to the other guy with my GME comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Wait what did they do with the GameStop stuff? I haven’t heard of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Robinhood canceled a bunch of people's trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) $110 to file an LLC, plus $300/yr fee. Delaware has a turnout around 500k voters. Assume say 25% are absolute morons who will swallow any propaganda you put out. $41 million + recurring $112 million buys you enough corporate votes to win every vote in the state. Welcome to Shadowrun without all the fun parts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago This is the next thing for the r/wallstreetbets folks should do! Put all that GME $$$ to good use! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago This is the next thing for the r/wallstreetbets folks should do! Put all that GME $$$ to good use! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) I like that except they will definitely find a way to undercut that right quick just like they did with the GameStop stuff, illegally I might add permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago It’s funny I was looking through my notifications and saw this one after replying to the other guy with my GME comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Wait what did they do with the GameStop stuff? I haven’t heard of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Robinhood canceled a bunch of people's trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago It’s funny I was looking through my notifications and saw this one after replying to the other guy with my GME comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Wait what did they do with the GameStop stuff? I haven’t heard of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Robinhood canceled a bunch of people's trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Robinhood canceled a bunch of people's trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago Oh no. It's not even new. WTF, Delaware? Nonresident voting in local elections has been permitted in Fenwick Island since it was incorporated in 1953, according to the court ruling. In 2008, Delaware's General Assembly amended the charter to allow non-resident voting by artificial entities, including corporations, partnerships, trusts and limited liability companies, which must be chartered in Delaware. Several other towns in Delaware allow companies and other legal entities to vote in local elections if they own property in the municipality. So not only is the state of DE a tax haven, and cravenly pro-corporate at that, but this would allow all those companies chartered there (with nothing more than a rented closet and PO Box) to continue to vote for the status quo. If the good people of that state wanted to vote these assholes out and/or make corporate voting illegal, it's possible that they no longer can. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Can we just wipe Delaware off the map and replace it with Puerto Rico? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago PLEASE DO! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago PLEASE DO! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago So, the ruling requires you to own land. So someone should buy a few acres and sell 1x1 foot lots for a boat load of money. permalink fedilink source parent