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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago (2 children) ... Is this really a thing? I love both of these characters, for different reasons. Garak is... morally dubious, quite often, but amusingly clever about it. He is at least very self aware that he is kind of a piece of shit. Pulaski is goddamned genius and a hero, doesn't put up with too much bullshit, but displays her sardonic wit when the situation permits. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 17 points 3 months ago (1 child) People dislike her because she was a dick to Data in the beginning, and that she's mostly an attempt at making a female Dr. McCoy. I'm really glad the writers gave her a bit of a redemption arc with her relationship to Data though, it makes for an interesting bit of character development for both of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago* (1 child) She has entire adventures with Data, in the holodeck! I guess maybe if you watched the show as it aired, yeah you could have some sympathetic animosity... but she's just like, busy, and has no time for bullshit, and Data sometimes does not realize he is doing a bullshit. Like I'm autistic and highly identify with Data... people being a dick to you for seemingly no reason you can understand, this is extremely relatable and normal for an autist. I'd argue the two of them, Data and Pulaski, in particular serve as a great model of how a neurotypical and autist can learn how to interact with each other; she indulges his special interest and they go on a Sherlock Holmes adventure together! And in so doing, he learns about things she notices, knows, and values, that were not apparent to him before... and the same in reverse... they each respect each other more after that, and learn a bit how to avoid frustrating the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Data is autistic coded for sure. And yeah, you get it! They end up having a great relationship. I guess people could complain that it's just a rehash of the McCoy and Spock dynamic but, if nothing else, I'm glad she was around for a season just for Data's character growth. Edit: This might be a bit of a hot take but I think Picard is more of a dick to Data in general, especially in the early seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Data is autistic coded for sure. The funny thing is, it was completely unintentional. Spiner has said he had no idea when he was doing the show that Data was appealing to neurodivergent people, and also said he's glad he didn't know at the time, because being aware of it and trying to appeal to them might have ruined the performance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's interesting! Especially given how Picard and some of the others treat him. You could have fooled me saying it was written into the show that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago No I don't think that's a hot take at all, which is why I'm confused/incredulous that Pulaski is apparently a dick... no, you're right, Picard is more often shown being pretty curt with Data in the earlier episodes. But again, most of the time, this makes sense... dude has quite a lot on his shoulders, and Data often has trouble basically getting to the point, in terms of 'what is the potentially relevant and actionable information needed in a high stakes situation'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) I disliked Pulaski at first because she wasn't Crusher. Then, as the season went on, I quickly started to prefer Pulaski. But somehow, Crusher returned... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 17 points 3 months ago (1 child) People dislike her because she was a dick to Data in the beginning, and that she's mostly an attempt at making a female Dr. McCoy. I'm really glad the writers gave her a bit of a redemption arc with her relationship to Data though, it makes for an interesting bit of character development for both of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago* (1 child) She has entire adventures with Data, in the holodeck! I guess maybe if you watched the show as it aired, yeah you could have some sympathetic animosity... but she's just like, busy, and has no time for bullshit, and Data sometimes does not realize he is doing a bullshit. Like I'm autistic and highly identify with Data... people being a dick to you for seemingly no reason you can understand, this is extremely relatable and normal for an autist. I'd argue the two of them, Data and Pulaski, in particular serve as a great model of how a neurotypical and autist can learn how to interact with each other; she indulges his special interest and they go on a Sherlock Holmes adventure together! And in so doing, he learns about things she notices, knows, and values, that were not apparent to him before... and the same in reverse... they each respect each other more after that, and learn a bit how to avoid frustrating the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Data is autistic coded for sure. And yeah, you get it! They end up having a great relationship. I guess people could complain that it's just a rehash of the McCoy and Spock dynamic but, if nothing else, I'm glad she was around for a season just for Data's character growth. Edit: This might be a bit of a hot take but I think Picard is more of a dick to Data in general, especially in the early seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Data is autistic coded for sure. The funny thing is, it was completely unintentional. Spiner has said he had no idea when he was doing the show that Data was appealing to neurodivergent people, and also said he's glad he didn't know at the time, because being aware of it and trying to appeal to them might have ruined the performance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's interesting! Especially given how Picard and some of the others treat him. You could have fooled me saying it was written into the show that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago No I don't think that's a hot take at all, which is why I'm confused/incredulous that Pulaski is apparently a dick... no, you're right, Picard is more often shown being pretty curt with Data in the earlier episodes. But again, most of the time, this makes sense... dude has quite a lot on his shoulders, and Data often has trouble basically getting to the point, in terms of 'what is the potentially relevant and actionable information needed in a high stakes situation'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago* (1 child) She has entire adventures with Data, in the holodeck! I guess maybe if you watched the show as it aired, yeah you could have some sympathetic animosity... but she's just like, busy, and has no time for bullshit, and Data sometimes does not realize he is doing a bullshit. Like I'm autistic and highly identify with Data... people being a dick to you for seemingly no reason you can understand, this is extremely relatable and normal for an autist. I'd argue the two of them, Data and Pulaski, in particular serve as a great model of how a neurotypical and autist can learn how to interact with each other; she indulges his special interest and they go on a Sherlock Holmes adventure together! And in so doing, he learns about things she notices, knows, and values, that were not apparent to him before... and the same in reverse... they each respect each other more after that, and learn a bit how to avoid frustrating the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Data is autistic coded for sure. And yeah, you get it! They end up having a great relationship. I guess people could complain that it's just a rehash of the McCoy and Spock dynamic but, if nothing else, I'm glad she was around for a season just for Data's character growth. Edit: This might be a bit of a hot take but I think Picard is more of a dick to Data in general, especially in the early seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Data is autistic coded for sure. The funny thing is, it was completely unintentional. Spiner has said he had no idea when he was doing the show that Data was appealing to neurodivergent people, and also said he's glad he didn't know at the time, because being aware of it and trying to appeal to them might have ruined the performance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's interesting! Especially given how Picard and some of the others treat him. You could have fooled me saying it was written into the show that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago No I don't think that's a hot take at all, which is why I'm confused/incredulous that Pulaski is apparently a dick... no, you're right, Picard is more often shown being pretty curt with Data in the earlier episodes. But again, most of the time, this makes sense... dude has quite a lot on his shoulders, and Data often has trouble basically getting to the point, in terms of 'what is the potentially relevant and actionable information needed in a high stakes situation'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) Data is autistic coded for sure. And yeah, you get it! They end up having a great relationship. I guess people could complain that it's just a rehash of the McCoy and Spock dynamic but, if nothing else, I'm glad she was around for a season just for Data's character growth. Edit: This might be a bit of a hot take but I think Picard is more of a dick to Data in general, especially in the early seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Data is autistic coded for sure. The funny thing is, it was completely unintentional. Spiner has said he had no idea when he was doing the show that Data was appealing to neurodivergent people, and also said he's glad he didn't know at the time, because being aware of it and trying to appeal to them might have ruined the performance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's interesting! Especially given how Picard and some of the others treat him. You could have fooled me saying it was written into the show that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago No I don't think that's a hot take at all, which is why I'm confused/incredulous that Pulaski is apparently a dick... no, you're right, Picard is more often shown being pretty curt with Data in the earlier episodes. But again, most of the time, this makes sense... dude has quite a lot on his shoulders, and Data often has trouble basically getting to the point, in terms of 'what is the potentially relevant and actionable information needed in a high stakes situation'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) Data is autistic coded for sure. The funny thing is, it was completely unintentional. Spiner has said he had no idea when he was doing the show that Data was appealing to neurodivergent people, and also said he's glad he didn't know at the time, because being aware of it and trying to appeal to them might have ruined the performance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's interesting! Especially given how Picard and some of the others treat him. You could have fooled me saying it was written into the show that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's interesting! Especially given how Picard and some of the others treat him. You could have fooled me saying it was written into the show that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) It seems that writing a character that has no emotion just naturally lends itself to comparisons with neurodivergence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 3 months ago Also his tendency to info dump, his inability to fully judge social situations, how his "emotional" needs get dismissed by some people (cough picard cough). There's just a lot of social things going on with Data that feel familiar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago No I don't think that's a hot take at all, which is why I'm confused/incredulous that Pulaski is apparently a dick... no, you're right, Picard is more often shown being pretty curt with Data in the earlier episodes. But again, most of the time, this makes sense... dude has quite a lot on his shoulders, and Data often has trouble basically getting to the point, in terms of 'what is the potentially relevant and actionable information needed in a high stakes situation'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) I disliked Pulaski at first because she wasn't Crusher. Then, as the season went on, I quickly started to prefer Pulaski. But somehow, Crusher returned... permalink fedilink source parent
