Carnist here, feel free to ratio me in the comments.

The thing that I find most annoying in these intermittent "debates" where various people with different believes make starwmen and yell past one another is the shocking disconnect between people and the food that they eat at a fundamental level.

I am firmly of the belief that people need to be aware of what goes into the production of the food that they eat and look at the consequences of their actions directly.

People who eat meet but divorce that dish from the animal who made it are misguided at best to delusional at worst.

Similarly people who champion the removal of animal products but won't look into the eyes of a combine harvester and the animal it has ran over, the displacement or slaughter of animals in the clearing of farmlands, the increase in water consumption as new areas are turned over to fast cash crop agriculture based on whatever the current trend is, the removal of byproducts from industry such as long lasting leathers of adhesive products in exchange for quick rotting fast fashion made largely of petroleum products, and the costs associated with all of that are also misguided at best to delusional at worst.

Independence and community support are the best answer. But when so many see the people they live alongside as enemies what hope do we have of cooperation.

So maybe instead of fighting one another over petty concerns we can come together and take a look at the system trying to keep people apart and reliant on its own monstrous excess