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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 months ago (6 children) The annoying thing about reddit/lemmy atheists is all they talk about is church and god. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 25 points 3 months ago (1 child) It's why despite being definitionally anti-theist, I almost never talk about it. I didn't even intend for this post to be about religion, but about moving past the urge to be an annoying debate lord. Once you realize that the winning strategy for debates is to have a troll mindset, you waste a lot less time on fruitless conversations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago (2 children) A troll doesn’t win the debate, trolls kill debates permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child) On the other hand sometimes killing a "debate" is the best outcome. How many times has some far right chud dropped of the radar after being absolutely humiliated? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "best outcome" yes, but not a "winning strategy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 3 months ago A debate is really just a show where the people you're trying to win over are the audience, not the other person. The way to win such a verbal fisticuffs is to make your opponent look like a fool while making yourself look good. Trolls specialize in getting under people's skin, which allows them to shape the conversation in predictable ways. Giving your opponent the rope to hang themselves on is the winning strategy in online debates, not having a better argument than them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago Sure but you cant win a debate with someone who has the power of blind faith and confirmation bias, they will never question their beliefs and look for ways to justify them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) No, the annoying thing is that they all talk about religion as if all religion is evangelical Christianity. They think that it makes them look impartial or something, but it just makes them look ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago "People are getting killed by AIDS! We need to do something about this!" "Actually most of them just have HIV, which on its own kills nobody." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah, never liked the online communities. Like, they're good when people can ask there for advice, in case they're stuck in some ultra-religious family or village. But most of the time, they just devolve into anti-theism, because "religion bad" is sure to get you upvotes... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago It's really easy to pump up Islamophobia, too. All you have to do is ask them why they never attack Islam, and imply it's because they're afraid. When Gaza was in the news, I would see a spike in anti-Muslim posts in the atheism subreddits. It's embarrassing how long it took me to realize that the anti-Muslim stuff wasn't there to attack ISIS or al-Qaeda. It was there to justify what was happening in Gaza. There was even an atheist group I was a part of that had several speakers come to tell us about how horrible Muslims were, how they abused women, etc. Oh, and then we had a Jewish lady come and talk to us about how open-minded and rational Judaism is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] derry@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago Not enough about someone banging their dad permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago I love it when they consider themselves instantly smarter than anyone else solely because they're an atheist. I love it when they call themselves free thinkers yet they all share the same 7 talking points as to why. And they lose their shit if you challenge any of them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago No, I don’t, but that’s probably because you don’t know I am permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 25 points 3 months ago (1 child) It's why despite being definitionally anti-theist, I almost never talk about it. I didn't even intend for this post to be about religion, but about moving past the urge to be an annoying debate lord. Once you realize that the winning strategy for debates is to have a troll mindset, you waste a lot less time on fruitless conversations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago (2 children) A troll doesn’t win the debate, trolls kill debates permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child) On the other hand sometimes killing a "debate" is the best outcome. How many times has some far right chud dropped of the radar after being absolutely humiliated? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "best outcome" yes, but not a "winning strategy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 3 months ago A debate is really just a show where the people you're trying to win over are the audience, not the other person. The way to win such a verbal fisticuffs is to make your opponent look like a fool while making yourself look good. Trolls specialize in getting under people's skin, which allows them to shape the conversation in predictable ways. Giving your opponent the rope to hang themselves on is the winning strategy in online debates, not having a better argument than them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago Sure but you cant win a debate with someone who has the power of blind faith and confirmation bias, they will never question their beliefs and look for ways to justify them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago (2 children) A troll doesn’t win the debate, trolls kill debates permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child) On the other hand sometimes killing a "debate" is the best outcome. How many times has some far right chud dropped of the radar after being absolutely humiliated? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "best outcome" yes, but not a "winning strategy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 3 months ago A debate is really just a show where the people you're trying to win over are the audience, not the other person. The way to win such a verbal fisticuffs is to make your opponent look like a fool while making yourself look good. Trolls specialize in getting under people's skin, which allows them to shape the conversation in predictable ways. Giving your opponent the rope to hang themselves on is the winning strategy in online debates, not having a better argument than them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago Sure but you cant win a debate with someone who has the power of blind faith and confirmation bias, they will never question their beliefs and look for ways to justify them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child) On the other hand sometimes killing a "debate" is the best outcome. How many times has some far right chud dropped of the radar after being absolutely humiliated? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "best outcome" yes, but not a "winning strategy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 3 months ago A debate is really just a show where the people you're trying to win over are the audience, not the other person. The way to win such a verbal fisticuffs is to make your opponent look like a fool while making yourself look good. Trolls specialize in getting under people's skin, which allows them to shape the conversation in predictable ways. Giving your opponent the rope to hang themselves on is the winning strategy in online debates, not having a better argument than them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "best outcome" yes, but not a "winning strategy" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 3 months ago A debate is really just a show where the people you're trying to win over are the audience, not the other person. The way to win such a verbal fisticuffs is to make your opponent look like a fool while making yourself look good. Trolls specialize in getting under people's skin, which allows them to shape the conversation in predictable ways. Giving your opponent the rope to hang themselves on is the winning strategy in online debates, not having a better argument than them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 3 months ago A debate is really just a show where the people you're trying to win over are the audience, not the other person. The way to win such a verbal fisticuffs is to make your opponent look like a fool while making yourself look good. Trolls specialize in getting under people's skin, which allows them to shape the conversation in predictable ways. Giving your opponent the rope to hang themselves on is the winning strategy in online debates, not having a better argument than them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago Sure but you cant win a debate with someone who has the power of blind faith and confirmation bias, they will never question their beliefs and look for ways to justify them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) No, the annoying thing is that they all talk about religion as if all religion is evangelical Christianity. They think that it makes them look impartial or something, but it just makes them look ignorant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago "People are getting killed by AIDS! We need to do something about this!" "Actually most of them just have HIV, which on its own kills nobody." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago "People are getting killed by AIDS! We need to do something about this!" "Actually most of them just have HIV, which on its own kills nobody." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah, never liked the online communities. Like, they're good when people can ask there for advice, in case they're stuck in some ultra-religious family or village. But most of the time, they just devolve into anti-theism, because "religion bad" is sure to get you upvotes... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago It's really easy to pump up Islamophobia, too. All you have to do is ask them why they never attack Islam, and imply it's because they're afraid. When Gaza was in the news, I would see a spike in anti-Muslim posts in the atheism subreddits. It's embarrassing how long it took me to realize that the anti-Muslim stuff wasn't there to attack ISIS or al-Qaeda. It was there to justify what was happening in Gaza. There was even an atheist group I was a part of that had several speakers come to tell us about how horrible Muslims were, how they abused women, etc. Oh, and then we had a Jewish lady come and talk to us about how open-minded and rational Judaism is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago It's really easy to pump up Islamophobia, too. All you have to do is ask them why they never attack Islam, and imply it's because they're afraid. When Gaza was in the news, I would see a spike in anti-Muslim posts in the atheism subreddits. It's embarrassing how long it took me to realize that the anti-Muslim stuff wasn't there to attack ISIS or al-Qaeda. It was there to justify what was happening in Gaza. There was even an atheist group I was a part of that had several speakers come to tell us about how horrible Muslims were, how they abused women, etc. Oh, and then we had a Jewish lady come and talk to us about how open-minded and rational Judaism is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derry@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago Not enough about someone banging their dad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago I love it when they consider themselves instantly smarter than anyone else solely because they're an atheist. I love it when they call themselves free thinkers yet they all share the same 7 talking points as to why. And they lose their shit if you challenge any of them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] N0tTr0xy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago No, I don’t, but that’s probably because you don’t know I am permalink fedilink source parent
