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If China surpasses the USA as the #1 economy is that good news for the future of socialism? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml
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[–] 31 points 3 years ago (1 child)

China doesnt have a significant landlord class and 90% of people there own a house, whatever the fuck they have going on I want it lol.

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  • [+] -19 points 3 years ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    So, support for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, which always seem to be the result Bernie gets? That "democratic socialism"?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Or the one where you do imperialism abroad to pay for healthcare and schools at home?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Bernie is a socdem at best, not a demsoc

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I consider socdems to be barely better than liberals.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Socdems ARE liberals, what they advocate for is not socialism, but "Welfare Capitalism"

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago*

    I agree. I'm just talking about how Social Democrats at least on paper recognize some of the problems of capitalism. They just downplay them, which is a step above standard neoliberals. They just don't follow it to the logical conclusion. I would consider Demsocs to be a bit better than SocDems, but in my opinion the difference between SocDems and socialists should be or seems to be a bigger relative jump than between DemSocs and socialists. Maybe I'm phrasing this wrong.

    Because with Democratic Socialism, you already have a foot in the door, and with SocDems, its a way bigger jump.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    Imperialist socdems like sanders want to fund US social services off the backs of workers in the global south (via a tax on imports from commodities produced by workers making pennies, if you're wondering how this functions).

    This is why he and AOC have voted in support of every US war, and why when it comes to foreign policy, they're indistinguishable from neocons and other liberals.

    Socdems like yourself just want to uphold the status quo of imperialist wealth extraction, just with a little more of that stolen wealth allocated to social services.

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