▲ 51 ▼ If China surpasses the USA as the #1 economy is that good news for the future of socialism? (lemmygrad.ml) submitted 3 years ago by CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml 39 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bernie is a socdem at best, not a demsoc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I consider socdems to be barely better than liberals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Socdems ARE liberals, what they advocate for is not socialism, but "Welfare Capitalism" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago* I agree. I'm just talking about how Social Democrats at least on paper recognize some of the problems of capitalism. They just downplay them, which is a step above standard neoliberals. They just don't follow it to the logical conclusion. I would consider Demsocs to be a bit better than SocDems, but in my opinion the difference between SocDems and socialists should be or seems to be a bigger relative jump than between DemSocs and socialists. Maybe I'm phrasing this wrong. Because with Democratic Socialism, you already have a foot in the door, and with SocDems, its a way bigger jump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I consider socdems to be barely better than liberals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Socdems ARE liberals, what they advocate for is not socialism, but "Welfare Capitalism" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago* I agree. I'm just talking about how Social Democrats at least on paper recognize some of the problems of capitalism. They just downplay them, which is a step above standard neoliberals. They just don't follow it to the logical conclusion. I would consider Demsocs to be a bit better than SocDems, but in my opinion the difference between SocDems and socialists should be or seems to be a bigger relative jump than between DemSocs and socialists. Maybe I'm phrasing this wrong. Because with Democratic Socialism, you already have a foot in the door, and with SocDems, its a way bigger jump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Socdems ARE liberals, what they advocate for is not socialism, but "Welfare Capitalism" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago* I agree. I'm just talking about how Social Democrats at least on paper recognize some of the problems of capitalism. They just downplay them, which is a step above standard neoliberals. They just don't follow it to the logical conclusion. I would consider Demsocs to be a bit better than SocDems, but in my opinion the difference between SocDems and socialists should be or seems to be a bigger relative jump than between DemSocs and socialists. Maybe I'm phrasing this wrong. Because with Democratic Socialism, you already have a foot in the door, and with SocDems, its a way bigger jump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago* I agree. I'm just talking about how Social Democrats at least on paper recognize some of the problems of capitalism. They just downplay them, which is a step above standard neoliberals. They just don't follow it to the logical conclusion. I would consider Demsocs to be a bit better than SocDems, but in my opinion the difference between SocDems and socialists should be or seems to be a bigger relative jump than between DemSocs and socialists. Maybe I'm phrasing this wrong. Because with Democratic Socialism, you already have a foot in the door, and with SocDems, its a way bigger jump. permalink fedilink source parent