▲ 965 ▼ These heroes are the real ones (thelemmy.club) submitted 4 months ago by CodiUnicorn@programming.dev to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev 74 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (14 children) So why didn't y'all train him if he was that bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 17 points 4 months ago (5 children) This assumes that Jr Dev wanted to be trained, and could be trained. I've known some AI-brain "devs" from before AI was a thing. If someone can't be bothered to read an error message, can we really be expected to teach them how to debug? Etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago Yeah. Several of us tried to train him. He was not only not as good as he seemed in the interview, he didn't care to learn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oh a "what the hell's an error message" Dev. I thought they all died out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago There's a tsunami of them coming, and they will all beach in the Great AI Outage of 2028, just you wait. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ha no. There are a ton of new juniors like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago I grew up during the great Sierra adventure game age so if you didn't know how to program a boot disk you weren't turning on your computer properly. With style. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago "Someone represented themselves as being very interested in development and getting better at it. It's obviously not their fault if all that was bullshit!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (3 children) It is a long story but yeah it was about 80% management's fault and 20% the fault of the dude having zero ambition. I didn't expect this comment to get so many downvotes... it's as though I would need to explain that I'm not entirely blaming him for continuing to be employed in a problematic manner as he was. Obviously management should have addressed the issue and didn't, but why am I not allowed to blame a person for sucking at their job... ? If the idea is that if I thought he sucked I should have fixed it, that's silly, but regardless I did try to teach him things. He never retained anything, so after a few months I gave up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child) You’re totally allowed to blame him. He had a choice and he decided not to do what it takes. I’m not even sure why you’d allocate only 20% to the dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Thanks for actually reading what I wrote. Many people read a little and make up the rest or make up something to replace what was written. I mean yeah, he deserves way more than 20% of the blame for pretending like he wanted to learn, however my manager bears a lot of blame for the situation overall because he should have reprimanded him then fired him after a couple months if he didn't improve. Instead, my teammates and I spent hours and hours ripping this guy's PRs to shreds and trying to teach him shit and it never went anywhere. I remember one PR had over 90 comments on it! He routinely broke the build, usually in the same ways as before. I spent so much time pointing out the same mistakes over and over. If he'd been fired, that timesuck would've been minimized and actually there's some small possibility he would've gotten better if he thought he couldn't get away with coasting like he did. But since his incompetence went uncontested for two years by management, he wasted tons of everyone's time. If it were up to me he would've been gone before three months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 point 4 months ago Corporation is parasitic. Why did you sustain the existence of Mani Mani's vampiric thieves of your entire existence, by your own choice? That guy wasn't making mistakes when poisoning the blood drawn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Sometimes it just doesn't pan out. Had a junior dev that basically decided he would rather try to grift through instead of doing the job. Never seen someone work so hard at trying not to work at all. Every day it was a different excuse, a different other person to point to as to why he didn't even try to do anything that day. I think at least 7 or 8 of his grandmothers died during his tenure. And management ate it up. Until one day he lost track of things and blamed the manager asking him why things weren't done. Said the manager never sent him some material and of course the manager had. Suddenly the manager believed the rest of us who had been saying he was lying for the last many months... The key was he was cheap and was in theory supposed to be as good as a higher paid alternative, so management would have to admit to being wrong to ditch him... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago I’ve had a similar case in my department, and the guy couldn’t even be let go because he’s family of some important man in the company. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 17 points 4 months ago (5 children) This assumes that Jr Dev wanted to be trained, and could be trained. I've known some AI-brain "devs" from before AI was a thing. If someone can't be bothered to read an error message, can we really be expected to teach them how to debug? Etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago Yeah. Several of us tried to train him. He was not only not as good as he seemed in the interview, he didn't care to learn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oh a "what the hell's an error message" Dev. I thought they all died out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago There's a tsunami of them coming, and they will all beach in the Great AI Outage of 2028, just you wait. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ha no. There are a ton of new juniors like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago I grew up during the great Sierra adventure game age so if you didn't know how to program a boot disk you weren't turning on your computer properly. With style. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago Yeah. Several of us tried to train him. He was not only not as good as he seemed in the interview, he didn't care to learn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oh a "what the hell's an error message" Dev. I thought they all died out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago There's a tsunami of them coming, and they will all beach in the Great AI Outage of 2028, just you wait. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ha no. There are a ton of new juniors like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago I grew up during the great Sierra adventure game age so if you didn't know how to program a boot disk you weren't turning on your computer properly. With style. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago There's a tsunami of them coming, and they will all beach in the Great AI Outage of 2028, just you wait. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ha no. There are a ton of new juniors like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago I grew up during the great Sierra adventure game age so if you didn't know how to program a boot disk you weren't turning on your computer properly. With style. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago I grew up during the great Sierra adventure game age so if you didn't know how to program a boot disk you weren't turning on your computer properly. With style. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago "Someone represented themselves as being very interested in development and getting better at it. It's obviously not their fault if all that was bullshit!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago "Someone represented themselves as being very interested in development and getting better at it. It's obviously not their fault if all that was bullshit!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (3 children) It is a long story but yeah it was about 80% management's fault and 20% the fault of the dude having zero ambition. I didn't expect this comment to get so many downvotes... it's as though I would need to explain that I'm not entirely blaming him for continuing to be employed in a problematic manner as he was. Obviously management should have addressed the issue and didn't, but why am I not allowed to blame a person for sucking at their job... ? If the idea is that if I thought he sucked I should have fixed it, that's silly, but regardless I did try to teach him things. He never retained anything, so after a few months I gave up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child) You’re totally allowed to blame him. He had a choice and he decided not to do what it takes. I’m not even sure why you’d allocate only 20% to the dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Thanks for actually reading what I wrote. Many people read a little and make up the rest or make up something to replace what was written. I mean yeah, he deserves way more than 20% of the blame for pretending like he wanted to learn, however my manager bears a lot of blame for the situation overall because he should have reprimanded him then fired him after a couple months if he didn't improve. Instead, my teammates and I spent hours and hours ripping this guy's PRs to shreds and trying to teach him shit and it never went anywhere. I remember one PR had over 90 comments on it! He routinely broke the build, usually in the same ways as before. I spent so much time pointing out the same mistakes over and over. If he'd been fired, that timesuck would've been minimized and actually there's some small possibility he would've gotten better if he thought he couldn't get away with coasting like he did. But since his incompetence went uncontested for two years by management, he wasted tons of everyone's time. If it were up to me he would've been gone before three months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 point 4 months ago Corporation is parasitic. Why did you sustain the existence of Mani Mani's vampiric thieves of your entire existence, by your own choice? That guy wasn't making mistakes when poisoning the blood drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child) You’re totally allowed to blame him. He had a choice and he decided not to do what it takes. I’m not even sure why you’d allocate only 20% to the dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Thanks for actually reading what I wrote. Many people read a little and make up the rest or make up something to replace what was written. I mean yeah, he deserves way more than 20% of the blame for pretending like he wanted to learn, however my manager bears a lot of blame for the situation overall because he should have reprimanded him then fired him after a couple months if he didn't improve. Instead, my teammates and I spent hours and hours ripping this guy's PRs to shreds and trying to teach him shit and it never went anywhere. I remember one PR had over 90 comments on it! He routinely broke the build, usually in the same ways as before. I spent so much time pointing out the same mistakes over and over. If he'd been fired, that timesuck would've been minimized and actually there's some small possibility he would've gotten better if he thought he couldn't get away with coasting like he did. But since his incompetence went uncontested for two years by management, he wasted tons of everyone's time. If it were up to me he would've been gone before three months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Thanks for actually reading what I wrote. Many people read a little and make up the rest or make up something to replace what was written. I mean yeah, he deserves way more than 20% of the blame for pretending like he wanted to learn, however my manager bears a lot of blame for the situation overall because he should have reprimanded him then fired him after a couple months if he didn't improve. Instead, my teammates and I spent hours and hours ripping this guy's PRs to shreds and trying to teach him shit and it never went anywhere. I remember one PR had over 90 comments on it! He routinely broke the build, usually in the same ways as before. I spent so much time pointing out the same mistakes over and over. If he'd been fired, that timesuck would've been minimized and actually there's some small possibility he would've gotten better if he thought he couldn't get away with coasting like he did. But since his incompetence went uncontested for two years by management, he wasted tons of everyone's time. If it were up to me he would've been gone before three months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 point 4 months ago Corporation is parasitic. Why did you sustain the existence of Mani Mani's vampiric thieves of your entire existence, by your own choice? That guy wasn't making mistakes when poisoning the blood drawn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Sometimes it just doesn't pan out. Had a junior dev that basically decided he would rather try to grift through instead of doing the job. Never seen someone work so hard at trying not to work at all. Every day it was a different excuse, a different other person to point to as to why he didn't even try to do anything that day. I think at least 7 or 8 of his grandmothers died during his tenure. And management ate it up. Until one day he lost track of things and blamed the manager asking him why things weren't done. Said the manager never sent him some material and of course the manager had. Suddenly the manager believed the rest of us who had been saying he was lying for the last many months... The key was he was cheap and was in theory supposed to be as good as a higher paid alternative, so management would have to admit to being wrong to ditch him... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago I’ve had a similar case in my department, and the guy couldn’t even be let go because he’s family of some important man in the company. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago I’ve had a similar case in my department, and the guy couldn’t even be let go because he’s family of some important man in the company. permalink fedilink source parent