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'They’re Lost, Dude’: Jon Stewart Torches DNC After Democrat With Massive Lead Says He’s Heard Zilch From Them (www.mediaite.com)
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[–] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

The DNC, more than any other organization in existence, is responsible for Trump’s presidency

Man...

The craziest part is the ~400 some people that get to vote when a Dem doesn't win agreed with you a year ago when they voted for someone that wasn't a neoliberal.

Like, if it was 15 months ago, you'd be 100% correct.

The main problem, is you think "the DNC" is a monolith, and not just the chair getting a four year term to do anything they want.

Obama ignored the DNC because they worked with Hillary in the primary and went bankrupt.

So neoliberals kept going into 2016, rigged it against Bernie, and when Hillary lost and all the money had been siphoned off to the first Victory Fund, they had no choice to pick a neoliberal in 2017 to have access to the VF or the party would have died. Maybe it should have a decade ago, but it didn't.

That chair rigged it for Biden, and Biden put another neoliberal in charge of the DNC, and in return Kamala got the VF and the nomination with no primary.

Which takes us to 2025, and the ~400 voting members got a chance again.

And they picked the guy who ran Minnesota for a decade and has an incredibly strong track record anyone can easily look up.

We fucking won...

We got the party back.

The literal.only way we can lose it is if people check out of the Dem presidential and a neoliberal like Newsome gets the nomination and wins the general, that hands the keys of the party back and neoliberals will never let them go again.

No matter what happens, in the next Dem presidential primary vote for whoever is furtherest left, if nothing else to spite what you think the DNC still is.

Anything else and you might fuck us all

Edit:

I didn't mention what happened with the Victory Fund, after Kamala the DNC got the keys to it.

For the last year we've had the largest reinvesture of funds from the DNC to state parties...

All that money back to states that need it to win these races, instead of sitting in a bank account until it's time to throw another meaningless dinner with George Clooney.

We don't want a large powerful national organization... Like, we want bottom-up power structure and that's what we're going back to...

The stuff people want to happen is happening, it's been happening.

They just still suck at messaging, partly because they don't think the party should be driving the bus.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    If you have faith in DNC chair Ken Martin then I've got a bridge to sell you.

    He's the guy who promised to realease the autopsy of the 2024 election, and is now refusing to release it. You really think he's going to reform the DNC?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children)

    He’s the guy who promised to realease the autopsy of the 2024 election

    When?

    Seriously, when did he ever say he'd be the first DNC chair to publicly release that standard internal document?

    We don't even need to get into why publicly releasing war plans is bad strategy...

    Or even why billionaire owned media wants him to release it...

    You really think he’s going to reform the DNC?

    All you gotta do is vote in the primary...

    Logically, if you think you might be right, you should also be pushing people to vote in the Dem primary to stop it...

    What is the benefit to telling progressives not to vote in the primary?

    It comes with zero strings or obligations in the general...

    But if you can't predict what I'll be saying if a neoliberal somehow grabs the nom, you might want to read again:

    The literal.only way we can lose it is if people check out of the Dem presidential and a neoliberal like Newsome gets the nomination and wins the general, that hands the keys of the party back and neoliberals will never let them go again.

    No matter what happens, in the next Dem presidential primary vote for whoever is furtherest left, if nothing else to spite what you think the DNC still is.

    Anything else and you might fuck us all

    Literally anything is better than repeating Biden in 2020, because then they get the DNC back.

    I guarantee I won't be telling people to vote for a neoliberal in 2028, because I plan more than a single election ahead

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Sure, I'll Google that for you

    Specifically, Martin stressed that he was not coming to Washington to placate the political consultant class. His allies said that underneath his Minnesota nice exterior, he could be cutthroat. They promised he would be. And that the getting down to brass tacks would start with a rigorous analysis of where the party went wrong in the 2024 election, written up in a report that Martin committed to release publicly.

    “Of course it will be released,” Martin said after winning the chairmanship. “There has to be some lessons that we glean.”

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/dnc-autopsy-report-ken-martin

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Buddy...

    "DNC members" means the ~400 voting members...

    Not the public...

    https://x.com/HunterMw/status/2001732081374941209

    I can't quote it because it's a screenshot, but bro...

    You read that and thought it meant to the public?

    Edit:

    To clarify, that tweet is what your article uses as a source, and the article and person who posted that's creenshot seem to be willfully misrepresenting it...

    Journalists should know better, regular Americans, it's understandable not everyone digs deep these days, doesn't mean we can't do better or that we don't need to do better tho

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Now we're fighting about sources? This is tiresome.

    How do you explain Ken Martin's recent interview with Pod Save America?

    The host asks

    When you won the chairmanship in Feb of 25, you criticized the DNC's refusal to release their 2016 autopsy as exactly what not to do. You asked "was there any utility in doing that?" and then promised your 2024 autopsy would be different. Your exact quote was "of course it would be released". Why did you change your mind on that?

    Ken Martin does not push back against this quotation. He responds by saying he's "focusing on the lessons that can actually help us win". He goes on to say it's "not completely accurate to say we didn't release [the autopsy] because we are focused on the lessons that can actually help us win".

    Youtube - Jon Favreau interviews DNC Chair Ken Martin in a heated exchange over Democratic strategy.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Now we’re fighting about sources?

    No...

    I'm literally still trying to explain to you what the DNC is...

    And who "DNC members are".

    Like, are you saying the DNC members picked Martin....

    And that Martin lied to them, and is now breaking his promise to him...

    Which means if the DNC is still shit like you think, that's a good thing? Like, logically you're points aren't adding up, except you're really motivated to turn people against the party without even trying to answer:

    Why don't you want progressives to vote in the Dem primary?

    So I'll ask again:

    Why don't you want progressivesnto vote in the Dem primary?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Ken Martin said he would release the autopsy, and you're suggesting that he meant release it only to the DNC and not to the public? Buddy, you're really reaching here. Did you watch the Pod Save interview that I linked? It makes your position look quite foolish and ahistorical.

    As for progressives voting in primaries, I want the maximum amount of them to vote. Lying to them about the virtues of the DNC chair is not a good strategy to get them to vote, honesty works better.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Ken Martin said he would release the autopsy

    The standard after election report, yes, he said he would release that to dnc members

    Do you understand that "dnc members" is less than a thousand people and I cludes everyone that put him in the chair position but definitely not either of us...

    Like, can you at least acknowledge that what you've linked was Martin saying he'd release to DNC members?

    You keep sliding by that and I legitimately can't tell if you understand that yet.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure why you're hung up on this. Yes he said he would release it to DNC members. And now he is not releasing it.

    Releasing it to the DNC is functionally equivalent to releasing it to the public, on its release there is media speculation and leaks. That is why they aren't even giving it out to the DNC imo.

    Now that I've bit and responded to your aside, will you dare to tackle any of my questions you've avoided? What is your take on Ken Martin's performance on Pod Save? Do you think his performance will increase or decrease progressive voter turnout in the primaries?

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ok, making some progress...

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/18/dnc-kills-its-own-public-2024-autopsy-00697403

    So, a committee reviewed the report...

    They briefed the members on it, a summary was provided to them, and the plan to move forward..

    You though, you think that even though the summary and plan was put out to members, that doesn't mean anything unless the full report (which again, the DNC made and would be releasing only to the DNC)?

    Like...

    Instill don't see any logic.

    They made the report...

    If they're hiding something, why wouldn't they just not put it in the report, so they could release it?

    If the goal was what you're saying the goal was, it would be incredibly easy to handwaved away if the current DNC had zero ethics.

    They could release anything, say that was the report and move on.

    I'm sorry man, I've given you longer than most. I truly hope you're just legitimately having trouble understanding and someone else will help you

    But after so long, I gotta throw in the towel, to many people just want to eat up time.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    You're right, I am legitimately having trouble understanding your position.

    It seems like you've given up on defending Ken Martin though, so that is progress. Hopefully we can both now agree he is bad for progressivism and the left.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    Seriously, when did he ever say he'd be the first DNC chair to publicly release that standard internal document?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/18/dnc-kills-its-own-public-2024-autopsy-00697403

    Martin’s decision to withhold the report doubles back on a pledge he made just hours after he was elected to be the DNC’s chair in February. In comments to reporters, Martin committed to the public release of the 2024 report.

    At the time, he also questioned why the DNC hadn’t released its 2016 autopsy, when he questioned, “what happened with that … was there any utility in doing that?”

    “Of course it will be released,” Martin said in February, referring to a future review on the 2024 election.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    I don't know, I've heard that, that this is a new DNC, but I'm still waiting for more proof. I just remember David Hogg getting into the DNC last year, and declaring that he was going to overhaul it, and they kicked him right out.

    Is this "new" DNC before or after they proved where they stand about a supporting a REAL gun control advocate?

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