Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

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[–] 93 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Israeli people have as much right to exist as Palestinian people. So let's not genocide the Palestinians, no matter how desperately Golda Meir claimed they're not real. Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture. It's not fucking hard you cunts

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    It is really hard if you're only able to see the world in binary choices, which seems to be a common root of issues around the world

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    This is basically the downfall of America.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    As a non-American it doesn't appear as a loss really...

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I just hope they don't import their culture war BS here any further.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Does human have right to exist? If yes, then those who identify themselves as Israeli and those who identify themselves as Palestinians have the right to exist.

    However, including Israel as a state and government in this statement doesn't make sense.

    Its like someone going to another person house and take over a room then say I have the right to exist. Yes you have the right to exist but not the right to steal, and control the house. Now this state literally committing an ongoing genocide. So yes they state doesn't have the right to exist.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Quite frankly, they don't.

    They were invited refuge, turned violent and annexed the region, and have continued to be violent bloodthirsty pigs ever since.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    They were invited refuge

    The League of Nations had designated Palestine as a future homeland for the Jewish people. Only a minority of local Arabs welcomed those that came.

    Palestinian Arabs started the violent Arab Revolt in 1939 in order to stop Jewish refugees from immigrating. The British accommodated them by severely restricting the number of Jews they allowed into the country. They took it seriously. Thousands of Jewish refugees were held by the British in camps on Cyprus during the 1940s.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture.

    That's the thing; under the UN charter, peoples have a right to exist, not states. Basically, what becomes of the region should be decided by the entire population living in it, but it seems like half of said population isn't getting much of a voice.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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    To me, the real tragedy is that a shared identity really could be forged between these two groups. In another world, I can imagine a beautiful fusion between the Israelis and Palestinians, like two trees growing around one another.

    So much of the conflict in the West is viewed from a Biblical lens. Israel represents the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland! But really what present-day Israel represents is the spiritual descendants of the Biblical Israel ruling over and occupying the genetic descendants of the Biblical Israel.

    Through this thread, a common identity could be forged. That kind of shared identity is the kind of thing that national identities could be forged from. Instead of "Israel" being defined as "the Jewish homeland." "Israel" could be defined as "the home of the genetic and spiritual descendants of ancient Israel." This conflict need not always be "the Jews vs the Palestinians." It could simply be one type of Israeli and another type of Israeli. Some claim that name by blood. Some claim that name by religion. But both are united in one nation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Golda Meir claimed they're not real

    She claimed there was no real separate Palestinian Arab identity from for example the Arabs in Jordan. That might even be true for the 1920s and earlier.

    It took a while for Palestinian identity and nationalism to fully emerge and organize, including calling themselves Palestinians. By the founding of the PLO this has clearly achieved.

    The name Palestinian was used by Jews in Palestine to describe themselves before Israel‘s independence. During the British Mandate Palestinian Arabs were not so fond of the word Palestinian to describe themselves, although some did.

    It’s mainly an argument about the emergence of identity and the how words change meaning over time.

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