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A university class in Russia was supposed to have a soldier speak to them about the "SMO", but there was a surprise. (files.catbox.moe)
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[+] -106 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (33 children)

If I was a Russian student I would find this very inspiring to join the military . To see my enemy and know he is an ass hole. I have trouble believing it is real.

EDIT: to all the psychos wishing me death in the comments... This isn't a pro Russia comment. I would not consider myself pro Russia. Please go and touch grass. Think about the kind of person you have chosen to be and please channel your energy/anger into a more productive channel.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago* (17 children)

    No, he's just being brutally honest because of limited time. They will understand that. It demonstrates their enemy is capable and intelligent. People cutting him off just proves their handlers don't want them to have this important info and the Ukrainians don't mean them harm if they just don't join the russian army. They might ponder the thought the Ukrainian is exaggerating, but there wasn't much to exaggerate in the message. He didn't boast about strength or numbers. Just simple facts.

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  • [+] -37 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Try watching the video again but with the nationalities of everyone reversed. A group of Ukrainian students interested in joining the military watch a video of a Russian soldier telling them he is going to kill them. How would the Ukrainian students react?

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    in your scenario, did the ukranians invade russia? there is a tiny bit you skipped also, they will be killed IF they join the army and go there

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  • [+] -41 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    I'm not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war. It's not relevant to this situation. Blinding yourself to your team's mistakes doesn't make them go away and doesn't blind other people. If this is real it has the exact opposite effect the Ukrainian wanted to have.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war. It's not relevant to this situation.

    It is extremely relevant to the situation.

    The soldiers on one side die pointless deaths for their leader's vanity. If you tell them they'll die if they join it's a deterrent, because they can stay home and be safe.

    The soldiers on the other side die protecting their home and their people. If you tell them they'll die if they join it's not a deterrent, because they'll die if nobody joins as well.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I do not believe all the Russian soldiers or especially all the Russian college kids see themselves as dying for their leader's vanity. I mean this as a matter of perception not reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    see themselves as

    So some of them bought into the propaganda of "doing it for Russia". Doesn't mean it changes the fact they are dying for Putler's vanity, no matter how they see themselves.

    Your perception doesn't alter reality.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war.

    Yeah, because you know it's Russia.

    Between the Eyes- Бойова пісня для України - Battle song for Ukraine Silmien välliin

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I do know that. It is still not relevant.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Ofc it is.

    Ukraine didn't invade anyone. They're not the criminal here. Russia is. Russians may not have options in their fascist hellhole, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong for the Ukrainians to kill them if they agree to participate in said international crime of an illegal war of aggression.

    It's fair warning, and you just want to whatabout. I have zero pity for anyone Russian if they're not actively opposing Puti and seeking to change the regime.

    Conscientious objection to military service is recognized by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights as a legitimate exercise of the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right is also recognized in the Russian Constitution.

    So yeah, if these conscripts aren't opposing their service, fuck them and they deserve every inch of misery coming their way. "Just imagine it the other way around" is kinda worthless. Imagine telling a small woman who got raped by a burly violent man to "imagine how it would feel the other way around". Gonna be kinda hard to, and that is irrelevant whataboutism.

    No pity for Ruskis until they fuck off from Ukraine

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I think you are mistaking my criticism of a tactic for a criticism of a cause. I applaud your passion but please understand that I am not debating the righteousness of the Ukrainians' cause.

    If this is a real Ukrainian then this tactic does not serve his cause.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Well... good luck to you. I wish you godspeed in your quest to put one over on the asshole who warned you against invading his homeland. Hope you're quick enough to dodge the first couple dozen drones he sends your way.

    Edit: In case it's not clear, I'm explicitly hoping that you, personally, die in a fire.

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Hey man. Are you ok? You're wishing violent death on people you don't know anything about because they made a critical comment on an internet video.

    You know that isn't normal, right?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Trying to paint the people defending their homeland from invaders as the bad guys is not normal. You understand that, right?

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  • [+] -9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Let's put away the jump-to-conclusions mat. Even for good causes people can make mistakes in judgement and use bad tactics.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I'm not jumping to anything, you're purposefully misreading the video. He's trying to WARN them. He does not want to kill them, but he will if he must. You refusing to understand that just means you're being disingenuous. If anything he's trying to save Russian lives by doing this. But I guess you'll just keep refusing to see that for some reason.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    strongly disagree with this message making an ukrainian soldier an asshole but I will say this is maybe effective propaganda for those who are pro-Ukrainian but not so effective in speaking to a russian audience. I imagine what could have worked better for them for example would have been for him to speak at length about the horrors of war and question the point of it all from the Russian invading soldier's POV before revealing himself as Ukrainian.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    I still stand by the comment that spending time to threaten to kill college kids is an ass hole move (especially how they will perceive the character in the video), but I thank you for having a sane take. I absolutely agree that if you have the free time/resources/knowledge of college schedules to do this that a better tactic would be to inform them of the realities of war for them instead of issuing them a challenge. Explain that going to war is not what they are told. Again that's if any of this is even real.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    That’s exactly what he did. He informed them that the front line is simply a meat grinder, that by signing the contract they would be guaranteeing their deaths.

    How you interpreted this as a threat on their lives instead of a warning that would save their life is beyond me.

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