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A university class in Russia was supposed to have a soldier speak to them about the "SMO", but there was a surprise. (files.catbox.moe)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz
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[+] -41 points 4 months ago (13 children)

I'm not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war. It's not relevant to this situation. Blinding yourself to your team's mistakes doesn't make them go away and doesn't blind other people. If this is real it has the exact opposite effect the Ukrainian wanted to have.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war. It's not relevant to this situation.

    It is extremely relevant to the situation.

    The soldiers on one side die pointless deaths for their leader's vanity. If you tell them they'll die if they join it's a deterrent, because they can stay home and be safe.

    The soldiers on the other side die protecting their home and their people. If you tell them they'll die if they join it's not a deterrent, because they'll die if nobody joins as well.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I do not believe all the Russian soldiers or especially all the Russian college kids see themselves as dying for their leader's vanity. I mean this as a matter of perception not reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    see themselves as

    So some of them bought into the propaganda of "doing it for Russia". Doesn't mean it changes the fact they are dying for Putler's vanity, no matter how they see themselves.

    Your perception doesn't alter reality.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war.

    Yeah, because you know it's Russia.

    Between the Eyes- Бойова пісня для України - Battle song for Ukraine Silmien välliin

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I do know that. It is still not relevant.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Ofc it is.

    Ukraine didn't invade anyone. They're not the criminal here. Russia is. Russians may not have options in their fascist hellhole, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong for the Ukrainians to kill them if they agree to participate in said international crime of an illegal war of aggression.

    It's fair warning, and you just want to whatabout. I have zero pity for anyone Russian if they're not actively opposing Puti and seeking to change the regime.

    Conscientious objection to military service is recognized by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights as a legitimate exercise of the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right is also recognized in the Russian Constitution.

    So yeah, if these conscripts aren't opposing their service, fuck them and they deserve every inch of misery coming their way. "Just imagine it the other way around" is kinda worthless. Imagine telling a small woman who got raped by a burly violent man to "imagine how it would feel the other way around". Gonna be kinda hard to, and that is irrelevant whataboutism.

    No pity for Ruskis until they fuck off from Ukraine

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I think you are mistaking my criticism of a tactic for a criticism of a cause. I applaud your passion but please understand that I am not debating the righteousness of the Ukrainians' cause.

    If this is a real Ukrainian then this tactic does not serve his cause.

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