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The Arab American community that helped propel Trump is now grappling with lran war's fallout (apnews.com)
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[–] 108 points 5 months ago (41 children)

Project 2025 laid it all out in black and white. I do not understand all these fuckers whining about getting what they voted for.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Trump claimed not to know anything about project 2025

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  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Trump claims a lot of things. Everything out of his mouth is a lie.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    the kind of people who might vote for him obviously don't think that.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Imagine being so fucking stupid you believe the words of fucking Trump of all people. That’s a level of stupid that should disqualify you from voting.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (23 children)

    Edit: My brothers and sisters. My beloved family on the internet, please do not get harsh with each other. I was merely trying to demonstrate that this is a difficult issue and placing blame on the victims of a barbaric governmental system is ridiculous when it is the government to blame. Please be kind to one another. We are all victims of this cruel world. Let us instead grieve together. In Love. Bless all y'all

    Well, to be kinder to them; their options were watch their family die, or a final hail Mary and maybe Trump can do something. He did seem to be pretty against the wars in the middle east, according to media. Which I know was deception. So, I dont fault them. I fault Harris for not just saying, "Yes. I will end Israel funding and end the war in Gaza." She could have just done that and swept the win. But dems wanted to play party politics.

    So, the people who are waking up every day to find a new family member dead, should not be faulted. The party that abandoned them should.

    And lastly, put yourself in their shoes. You have two candidates. One says that what Israel is doing isn't great, but isn't bad and we should just keep rocking on. The other guy is the devil, but he's saying that he'll save your family. It's hard to think when you're in those situations.

    Like most things, life is hard. It's gray and nuanced and contradictory at times. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. We have no real control over elections anyway, because not enough people vote. Better to just read on the porch with a cup of coffee and watch the bombs drop wondering when it'll end.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    In his first term, Trump moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and recognized it as captial of Israel, with a lot of issues. Whoever thougt that he would be better for Gaza than Harris lied to themselves

    Trumps friendship with Bibi is well documented

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Well sure. If you have good information and pay attention. Many struggle constantly not to fall behind, let alone keep up with events. Or pierce the propaganda bubble constructed around us. And it didn't help that people were hyper focused on Harris and Biden. Who did deserve it. But their focus allowed them to be manipulated and used to whitewash trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    How much of the destruction of Gaza happened under Biden vs Trump.

    Like fuck Trump but you liberals can't even acknowledge the facts.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Not a liberal, not an american. I think most destruction happened under Netanyahu

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think you’re wrong so I’ll take some of your downvotes.

    I’m not from the Middle East, but I have a close friend who is and has family in Lebanon. His experience has been what you’ve described.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't care about downvotes lol

    Yeah, I got friends/family out there, so I get it. Like most things in this world people draw a moral line in the sand and play the trolley problem. No answer is the right answer, unless that answer is zero violence.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    Here’s an alternative perspective on that alternative perspective.

    Their Hail Mary as you described it relied on a known factor of persecution of immigrants of all types, the LGBTQ+ community, the entirety of anyone who is (or is perceived to be) a “leftist”, and women as a whole.

    So, they were willing to sell out all those people to be thrown in known horrors that were only going to ratchet up even further for their Hail Mary.

    Sure it’s a Sophie’s Choice situation maybe I guess but also. Fuck em.

    They gambled with the future of so many people. Including their own.

    Don’t worry I still blame the base of American voters who we all know are the ride or die’s for this bullshit but there’s enough blame to go around to look at those margins that pushed it past the tipping point.

    Yeah, I “get it”.

    But, as someone who’s in a few of those above categories it’s not something I’ll soon be forgiving nor forgetting.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    So, you're angry at them for being willing to throw the people who were willing to throw them under the bus under the bus?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The point is not “how dare they betray people who were already failing them.” The point is that, in trying to save themselves through a desperate gamble, they still made a choice that helped hand more power to someone whose openly stated agenda threatened a whole lot of other vulnerable people, including many who had nothing to do with their abandonment.

    You can understand why someone makes a desperate choice without pretending the consequences disappear. Those are two different things.

    So yes, the Democratic Party absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable. But that does not magically erase the fact that voting for Trump meant accepting the risk, or certainty, that immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others would be crushed harder too.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    And that is the risk they accepted, same as many of those "immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others", and I'm gonna guess you too, accepted the risk of supporting the party that, as you said yourself, "absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable". And if you consider that something to neither forgive nor forget, then you also must understand that you did, in fact have something to do with their abandonment too.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    What’s supporting? Putting trumps head onto Rambos body then putting that all over flags in your yard? Or how about driving around with a sticker on your truck that looked like Biden or kamala tied up in the back? How about GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY, i would have aborted Tiffany, Epstein is a good guy he likes them young, oh hey look who raped a 13 year old child…

    Yes you get judged for supporting that. I don’t give a fuck what stupid excuse you lie about today. There’s not a single example of this from the democrats no matter how shit they are.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    They will feel the consequences for their choice as they fucking should.

    Yes we are angry with them for choosing fascism. What the fuck is wrong with you for not understanding that?

    I don’t give a fuck if you were threatened and told to punch me in the head. If you fucking do it I’m escalating that shit right back. Oh are you Victim? Well aren’t we all.

    Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    Exactly. I punch you in the head with Harris, you're gonna escalate that shit right back and punch me with Trump. Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t recall there ever being a time where Trump looked better for Palestine even if you believed him. The two candidates were at best tied on this particular issue but Trump so clearly was evil everywhere else

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Trump did 2 half baked cease fire where the numbers of Palestinians dying significantly was reduced while Biden and Harris never wanted a cease fire they knew Israel was the obstacle yet blamed Hamas for it

    During Biden

    70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed

    So the only way for trump to be worst for Palestine is the expulsion of all the Gazans from the land. Harris also welcomed the bad "peace" plan of Trump

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    No. We begged our family to listen to us. Begged them. These people weren’t fucking scared of shit. They are racist. That’s as deep as this goes.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    My friend, please do not be angry with me. I was only speaking as to why the Arab community went for Trump. It is difficult to discuss politics. This kingdom, as many others will fall. Many people will die. Tale as old as time. Mashallah.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    As a Muslim, I don't blame anyone for abstaining. The choices were genocide or genocide+. Trump at least went to meet with some Mosque leaders in Dearborn Michigan. Kamala couldn't even be bothered to do that.

    The Democrats demonstrably abandoned us to our faces. Trump at least acted like he was going to care (which anyone could tell you was a lie, but he did make a show of it).

    My parents, aunts, and uncles all seriously considered voting for Trump because we all felt abandoned by the Democrats.

    Don't blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Don’t blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces.

    And you thought a guy who fucked you over in his first term would be better than a Democrat? That is is Copium right there.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm saying there were no good choices. So I don't know why I'm responsible for the Democrats failure to be even decent.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    When faced with two bad choices at least choose the one that will do the least harm. While you are correct Democrat establishment failed here you can not rationalize any marginalized community justifying either voting for Trump or abstaining from voting based on Trump's past actions or his links to fascist ideology found in documents like Project 2025.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    If you ask the rest of the world, the US has been a fascist country for most of the post war era.

    I also think the US hegemonic system produced this result. I think whatever Trump was going to do was inevitable because look at their opposition. The most milquetoast resistance imaginable.

    So people blaming minorities for not voting against Trump can suck my nuts. This was an inevitable consequence of the system America created. Y'all are mad that the US just took it's mask off. I'm sick of Americans blaming everyone but themselves for the shit they put the world through.

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