burnitdown comments on Doug Ford says he will not ban companies from charging two people different prices for the same item, saying that doing so would be “socialism.”

I did vote, not for dofo, but if you dont vote, you agree with the outcome. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. And in this case if you didn't vote in ontario, you implicitly agree with the outcome of the election, as you decided not to participate, and allowed others to make the government choice for you.

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -1 points 5 months ago (7 children)

@T00l_shed if i don't vote, i don't vote. i choose other courses of action. the people who voted for Doug Ford voted for Doug Ford. the people who did not vote did not vote for anyone.

here's the nonsense logic of what you're saying: most of eight billion people in the world who also didn't vote in the Ontario election also voted for Doug Ford because they didn't vote. but the people who did vote for Doug Ford, they're your best friend and you're okay with their decision. so you don't really have any problem with Doug Ford.

implicit agreement is not a thing. that's the opposite of consent. that's you putting the responsibility for things going wrong, in a system that is designed make things go wrong, on everyone but the people who caused the problem. that is bullshit.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

here's the nonsense logic of what you're saying: most of eight billion people in the world who also didn't vote in the Ontario election also voted for Doug Ford because they didn't vote. but the people who did vote for Doug Ford, they're your best friend and you're okay with their decision. so you don't really have any problem with Doug Ford.

Fucking TIL the population of Ontario is 8 billion. Thanks for learning me

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

@T00l_shed

that's not what i said. try again.

reading comprehension is not your strong suit, i can tell.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I literally quoted you and you said that's not what you said? Amazing

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -2 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

@T00l_shed

you quoted me, but then you claimed i said something i did not say.

let's try again. if the people who didn't vote for Doug Ford are responsible for the election of Doug Ford, then let's include everyone else in the world, not just Ontario. the whole world is responsible for electing Doug Ford then, because they did not vote for Doug Ford, except for the people who voted for Doug Ford.

since your argument is that not voting for Doug Ford is voting for Doug Ford, why not draw that out to its fully ridiculous conclusion? it's a ridiculous statement to begin with, to say that people who didn't do a thing actually did do the thing by not doing it, but the people who did do the thing by doing the thing did nothing at all. somehow they are absent from this equation.

why won't you hold the people who did vote for Doug Ford responsible for voting for Doug Ford? they are the people who voted for Doug Ford. that is the decision they made.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

2 things.

1)why won't you hold the people who did vote for Doug Ford responsible for voting for Doug Ford? they are the people who voted for Doug Ford. that is the decision they made.

Who says I dont?

you quoted me, but then you claimed i said something i did not say.

I "quoted you" I didn't add anything to what you said

Also your argument is a stupid strawman. You're making up an argument that has nothing to do with what I said falsely representing my argument. Please stop responding

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

@T00l_shed

you don't because you haven't.

it's not a strawman, and it's not stupid.

if the people who didn't vote for Doug Ford are responsible for the election of Doug Ford, why make it only about Ontario? the whole rest of the world didn't vote for Doug Ford either.

children can't vote, did they vote for Doug Ford by not being old enough to vote?

those who do not have a permanent address, perhaps because they can't afford housing, can't vote. did they vote for Doug Ford by not being able to afford astronomical rent?

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago

Bye bye now have a great life

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

i didn't choose what you chose.

You chose not to vote against the worse option.

You don't get to try and weasel out of your responsibility that easily.

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[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

Neutrality sides with the winner.

If you didn't vote, you voted for Ford.

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

@PhoenixDog nope. if you voted for Ford, then you voted for Ford. if you didn't vote for Ford, then you didn't vote for Ford. abstention is not neutrality. words have meaning. you are responsible for your choices, or else you make irresponsible choices.

to be able to vote, you must have a permanent address. everyone who does not have a permanent address because they can't afford housing, did they vote for Doug Ford? children can't vote, did they vote for Doug Ford by not being old enough to vote?

why won't you put the responsibility for having voted for Doug Ford on those who marked a ballot for Doug Ford?

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[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

abstention is not neutrality. words have meaning

You're absolutely right. ABSTENTION is not neutrality. Did you cast a ballot? Even a blank ballot? You can cast what's called a "ruined ballot" and it still counts as a vote.

Not voting at all, not casting a ballot at all is neutrality, not abstention. Watch any parliamentary preceding. When they take votes, the speaker asks every individual. Those there vote yay or nay. If they don't, they literally say the words "I abstain". Then they ask the reps who aren't there to vote. No one is in the seat to vote.

They are two very VERY different terms.

It's not that difficult.

Go fucking vote. Vote for your dog. Just vote. Not voting votes for the winner.

You don't get a pass because you're too fucking lazy to support democracy. "But I don't like any party" then vote for an independent. But cast a fucking ballot.

to be able to vote, you must have a permanent address. everyone who does not have a permanent address because they can't afford housing, did they vote for Doug Ford? children can't vote, did they vote for Doug Ford by not being old enough to vote?

Let's at least TRY to be honest. We know the percentage of "voter turnout" vs "eligible voters". Not a single person who works with Elections counts children and homeless people as "non-voters". Take that fucking strawman back to the farm field and leave it there.

Just because you want to rationalize people who are eligible to vote not doing so because they're lazy, uninterested pieces of shit that are literally a bigger problem than Ford and his party.... Doesn't give you a pass.

If people actually WANTED to gain political knowledge, WANTED to vote, Ford wouldn't still be Premier. But people are lazy, dumb, uneducated, and don't care.

I'm nearly 40. I've voted in every provincial and federal election I could have since I could. I stay connected to politics. I learn. I want to learn. I want to be educated. Because I know politics affects everything from policy to groceries to gas prices to housing to road infrastructure to schools to.....

Refusing to participate in democracy is a choice. A shit choice, an uneducated choice, and an ignorant choice.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

Wow, you're a fucking idiot.

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

@wonderingwanderer

want to say that to my face and see what happens?

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

Oh, you're so tough. Pretending to fight people on the internet. I'm not intimidated by you. I'm also not childish enough to get into a cockfight with you.

You're still a fucking idiot though.

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -1 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

@wonderingwanderer if you're so brave to call me an idiot then come say that to my face and see what happens.

you won't respond to reason, so you can have the alternative.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I never claimed it takes any bravery to call you a fucking idiot. I merely called you a fucking idiot. Post your address and I'll come ring your doorbell and call you a fucking idiot.

Reason? You haven't said anything remotely reasonable. That's why I called you a fucking idiot. There's no point trying to reason with you.

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[–] burnitdown@beige.party -2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

@wonderingwanderer

no, you won't be coming to my house. you are a coward who hides behind a keyboard and calls people idiots when they call your ridiculous reasoning into question.

bye fascist. eat shit. if you ever meet me, get ready to get hit.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 5 months ago

You're the one hiding behind a keyboard talking tough. I simply called you a fucking idiot. Did that hurt your little feefees? You're the one who said to come say it to your face, and now you won't tell me where you are? And you think that makes me a coward? What a fucking idiot.

What "reasoning" of mine did you call into question? I never presented any "reasoning" in this thread, because you're not worth trying to reason with. I just called you a fucking idiot, cause that's what you are.

And now you're calling me a fascist? Just because I called you a fucking idiot? Be fucking serious. There are actual fascists out there wreaking havoc in the world right now, and calling people on the internet fascists just because they pointed out that you're a fucking idiot, only serves to water down the term 'fascist' and obfuscate things further for the actual fascists.

People like you are the reason why whenever I call out fascism, idiots say shit like "you can't just call someone a fascist because you disagree with them." I don't. I only call people fascists if they're fascists. And yes, I disagree with fascists. But I'm perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone without calling them a fascist, if they're not a fascist.

if you ever meet me, get ready to get hit.

Wow, what a fucking loser. I thought you were just a fucking idiot, but it turns out you're a fucking idiot loser. Who talks like that on the internet? You could walk past me tomorrow and you wouldn't even recognize me. Even if you somehow did, I'd let you break your knuckles on me before I even fight back. And then you'd find out what the pavement tastes like.

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