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fixed cyberghost's "meme" (thelemmy.club)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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[–] 2 points 3 years ago (25 children)

What I support is workers organising. What I don't support is Stalinist strongmen oppressing workers. Socialism without power of the workers is meaningless and not worth achieving, that's literally the current system. If I wanted capitalism with socialist aesthetics I can just move to China, that already exists. What I want is actual power to the workers and nothing else.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Workers had more power and say in democracy in the USSR then they have ever had in a Western capitalist country, and American police are more brutal, more violent, more repressive, and kill more people than any "strong men" under Stalin. You've consumed too much anti-communist propaganda.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (7 children)

    No, me and my family lived under Soviet rule in an annexed satellite state. Workers had no power here, people who were friendly to high ranking party members had power and if workers did not comply they got sent to slave camps in siberia where they were not likely to return.

    I really don't care about the US and it's quite weird how literally everyone who is trying to paint the USSR in a good light says that with no prompting. Like lung cancer is also bad but bringing that up in every single conversation about anything is weird.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    no prompting

    My sibling in Christ you mentioned Stalin, a leader of the USSR, and this entire thread is about socialist states

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Was Stalin the president of the US? Is the US the leader of socialism or something? The US has nothing to do with socialism, like I have been part of my local anarchist group for years and no one has ever even mentioned the US.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What decade were you born in?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    Did an AI write this? You didn't actually respond to anything I said.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    Neither did you.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    I clearly did, but by all means, go with "no u" and see how convincing it is.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    You attributed some failed strategy to me and then accused me of purity testing states that are only aesthetically socialist. That response had nothing to do with what I said.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    You attributed the failed strategy to yourself, and I accused you of it because that's exactly what you were doing. That's a response, to your comment.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    As you yourself said: it's untainted by existing practice, there is no existing strategy as in its new. In relation to the numerous failed attempts at socialism through dictatorship it's better to try something new and not keep shooting the working class in the foot.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Ok, so what is your new strategy then?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Currently our group has been working on raising avereness of unions since there are a lot of white collar workers that aren't a member of any union. We are also trying to popularise the coop business model especially in the public sector. We are also advocating for wealth redistribution reforms. The USSR kinda ruined calling yourself a socialist(And calling yourself a communist here will more likely get you punched here) so a lot of advocacy has been about pushing for socialist ideas with different wording.

    For more long term we are hoping to get unions more involved in government and possibly form a worker's party with the union members.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Ok, that's all well and good, but nothing new, so what's the new strategy you mentioned?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

    Hexbear users don't operate in good faith so no point in actually trying to engage them in good faith. They will wear you out if you do.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    We engage in good faith only so long as we are met with good faith, if you aren't going to respect us we have no reason to respect you

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Well as long as you have a sub dedicated to "dunking on libs" we both know that is not true.

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