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Punish the Democrats, she says (thelemmy.club)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
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[–] 13 points 6 months ago (19 children)

The car is already skidding on the ice. Saying "we should have taken the subway" is not useful at that point in time.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (16 children)

    We'll still be skidding in 2028, and 2032, and 2036, and 2040, and so on. Picture yourself in 2044 making this same argument. Now we're arguing about Hitler (D) who wants to put trans people in prison, and Hitler (R) who wants to put trans people in death camps. Both candidates are willing to launch a nuclear weapon in behalf of Israel. The car is already skidding, it's too late to change things. If you don't vote for Hitler (D), then you're letting Hitler (R) win.

    Flash back to 2026. "Vote blue no matter who" just means democrats don't have to appeal to leftists at all. In order to win, they just need to appeal to the right. Let's force them to appeal to the left instead.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No. Voting in big elections is not the only action you take. This is a conflict with multiple fronts. You need to organize, talk to people, use every option.

    Just abandoning the electoral front in this conflict is stupid

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Voting in big elections is not the only action you take.

    When did I say that it is? Please organize. Please vote in primaries. Do use every option. And also, force the Democratic party to understand that they have to appeal to leftists to get leftist votes, even when a conservative democrat wins a primary.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    "Don't vote until they learn how important we are" is how you join the third+ of the country that doesn't vote and is therefore ignored by politicians.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    I never said don't vote. Vote in every election possible. If that >33% of Americans who don't vote did, we would never have a republican president again.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    And yet a large portion of them don't vote because of what you said in your previous comment. They say that their vote won't matter because nothing will change, and therefore don't vote.

    If we could convince them to vote out the Republicans and then hold the Democratic party over the fire until we can replace them with actually competent candidates (third party or not, we should remove parties period and enact ranked choice imo), then we might have a chance. But no conversation ever gets past the first hurdle of "vote blue no matter who won't change anything."

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    And yet a large portion of them don't vote because of what you said in your previous comment.

    Maybe. I wonder how many leftists don't bother voting because of what I said, and how many don't bother voting because democrats routinely fail to achieve anything. Biden had four years to put us on the path to getting healthcare, to raising the minimum wage, to seeing Trump tried for treason, to releasing the Epstein files, to ending that one genocide, and he just sat around with his dick in his hand for four years instead.

    I won't hold it against any leftist if they voted for Biden and feel burned. I did, and I do. Would Harris have been better? Obviously. Would she have done anything to mitigate the violence and misery the next republican would bring? Nope. The best she would do is delay some of it for a few more years before it came back worse, just like Biden did.

    You can't just vote out the Republicans. They're going to keep running forever. As long as Democrats can get wins just by being slightly less evil than Republicans, there will never be a fire to hold them over.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Republicans don't vote for democrats, but democrats will abandon every last principle and every last vulnerable minority chasing their votes.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I can name a few vulnerable minorities that have been abandoned by people who allowed republicans to take power, can you name any the democrats abandoned?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Democrats who ignored all the warnings about how failing to represent their constituents would result in a loss allowed republicans to take power. Not that democrats ever wield it when they have it.

    Undocumented immigrants, when democrats permanently adopted republican border policy for a stupid momentary gotcha.

    Trans people, when democrats not only said nothing, they actually ran anti-trans hate in their own ads.

    Palestinian Americans. This has to be obvious even to you.

    Women, when democrats preferred to keep the filibuster over codifying Roe.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Now we're arguing about Hitler (D) who wants to put trans people in prison

    This is insane bullshit.

    Both candidates are willing to launch a nuclear weapon in behalf of Israel.

    Also bullshit. Your version of fox news is terrible.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah you're right, we should vote blue no matter who, even when the blue candidate does their best to appeal to right-wing voters. Surely this will have no bearing on the political leanings of democratic politicians in the future

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I used to agree, but after seeing how lefties will refuse to vote for the most pointless reasons, I can see why they thought that strategy was better.

    It wasn’t, of course, but I can see how their math said that.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    "lefties refuse to vote for Democrats* for the smallest reason."

    probably because the Democrat party is not a Leftist party. Leftists owe the Democrats nothing as the Democrats have long been the center-right party.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I've been warning people about what was coming as far back as 2010, when I was a teenager. I have been telling people that "vote blue no matter who" would lead here, and people just derided me, called me a troll, I have been told endlessly that I'm making a slippery slope argument.

    When Bernie's would-be victory was transmuted into Hillary's defeat, that should have been a wake-up call for you. Your politicians are playing you like a fiddle. They would rather have fascism than even the mildest social democracy.

    History has vindicated leftists, again and again and again and again. Liberals, centrists, democrats, they are either in denial, or they're fully onboard with fascism.

    Please, for once, listen to us. You need to help us stop this shit. We can't just keep going on voting for the lesser evil forever.

    Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

    1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
    2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
    3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
    4. Don't punch down.
    5. Don't punch left.
    6. Educate yourself, politically.
    7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system.
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