We'll still be skidding in 2028, and 2032, and 2036, and 2040, and so on. Picture yourself in 2044 making this same argument. Now we're arguing about Hitler (D) who wants to put trans people in prison, and Hitler (R) who wants to put trans people in death camps. Both candidates are willing to launch a nuclear weapon in behalf of Israel. The car is already skidding, it's too late to change things. If you don't vote for Hitler (D), then you're letting Hitler (R) win.

Flash back to 2026. "Vote blue no matter who" just means democrats don't have to appeal to leftists at all. In order to win, they just need to appeal to the right. Let's force them to appeal to the left instead.

I've been warning people about what was coming as far back as 2010, when I was a teenager. I have been telling people that "vote blue no matter who" would lead here, and people just derided me, called me a troll, I have been told endlessly that I'm making a slippery slope argument.

When Bernie's would-be victory was transmuted into Hillary's defeat, that should have been a wake-up call for you. Your politicians are playing you like a fiddle. They would rather have fascism than even the mildest social democracy.

History has vindicated leftists, again and again and again and again. Liberals, centrists, democrats, they are either in denial, or they're fully onboard with fascism.

Please, for once, listen to us. You need to help us stop this shit. We can't just keep going on voting for the lesser evil forever.

Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
4. Don't punch down.
5. Don't punch left.
6. Educate yourself, politically.
7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system.

The advice was given with plenty of time to follow it, they chose not to

The problem with incrementalism is that it looks like too little

The problem with incrementalism is that it's often just a bullshit cover for doing nothing at all.

what is the best way to get politicians who aren’t genocidal

I can tell you with great certainty that voting for genocidal politicians is the worst way of getting politicians who aren't genocidal.

My advice, as always, is to organize, protest, and elect, with a greater emphasis on organizing and protesting.

1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
4. Don't punch down.
5. Don't punch left.
6. Educate yourself, politically.
7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system.

And if the dems had won on their appeasement of the fascists strat they probably would have fumbled the bag one or two elections after that and all of the stuff you mentioned would happen anyways just now with even less of a chance for the dems to right things afterwards because they adopted the mindset the republicans had a few years ago.

Why are you libs so averse to the reality of the ratchet effect?

Democrats should have listened to people who were telling them they would lose if they kept supporting genocide.

They were warned. They knew. They wanted genocide so badly they were willing to botch the election to make sure it kept going.

I don’t think people are saying you personally are a bot, but you’re falling for narratives pushed by bots.

People call me a bot quite a bit, sometimes a shill too, or a Russian troll. In reality, I'm a gay autistic over-educated furry from Scotland with hot takes firmly backed by strongly held values - that we should always work to minimize suffering and maximize happiness for ourselves and for all living things.

I am not falling for anyone's narratives. I arrive at all of my strongly held positions after a great deal of thought, consideration and evaluation. I am the person who speaks out against the popular narrative long before it becomes acceptable or even a matter of debate. I'm usually right years too early, sometimes decades. Maybe even centuries, on some topics, especially around youth liberation and anarchism. I have been an outspoken anti-zionist since 2010, for example.

I will never say that Trump winning was a good thing. It was a fucking tragedy. But if Kamala had won in 2024, she would have done nothing to prevent the material conditions which are responsible for the rise of fascism. Republicans, MAGA, and fascists would all see the continued failures of liberalism and the Democratic party to address massively growing inequality. They would become more and more reactionary, aggressive and extreme. What if, at that point, an intelligent, charismatic fascist leader appeared, and united that base? Someone who doesn't say the quiet part out loud, who did all the shit that Trump did, but was able to convince Americans that it was necessary, or even good?

absolutely zero harm has been prevented

The full outcome of Trump's premiership remains to be seen. Will the base of the Democratic party finally wake up and recognize that harm reduction narratives are a total and complete failure and demand more than the bare minimum from their electeds? Will an anti-zionist finally be elected in 2028? Or, dare I even dream it, an anti-imperialist? A socialist?

New York City got their first socialist muslim mayor, Zohran Mamdani, which one may argue was a leftist reaction to Trump.

We are also witnessing the collapse of the American Empire, massively accelerated by Trump.

We need to stop thinking in terms of harm reduction on an election-to-election basis, and start thinking in terms of the election after this one, at the very least. How can we use our vote not tactically, but strategically?

And remember, our vote is the weakest form of power we have. Our power comes from our connections and our labor.

Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
4. Don't punch down.
5. Don't punch left.
6. Educate yourself, politically.
7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system