▲ 102 ▼ Banned from 20 communities, no explaination (thelemmy.club) submitted 5 months ago by ozymandias@sh.itjust.works to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com 175 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 5 months ago (3 children) Lemmy has a real problem with alts and sock puppeting permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 11 points 5 months ago (2 children) Doesn't help that admins have at times decided to encourage alt'ing to bypass bans "because if they are good faith participants, they won't get banned again". The problem is the whole federated system means accommodating different standards. As a proponent of any decent implementation of the idea, I'd just like to point out that if we could select our own moderators for communities, a lot of these alts and sock puppets would probably have been handled by the people I would have aggregated to the list instead of just waiting for the time zone or availability to roll over to the official ones. A lot of these are blatantly obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skavau@piefed.social 9 points 5 months ago I don't think any amount of democratic community moderation voting (this case here is more to do with an absent instance owner) would prevent the phenomenon of idle, disinterested or otherwise too-busy moderators letting their communities be overrun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) Admin of what instance said that? I've only ever seen the opposite opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) They know who they are, and it depends on what's involved. Even if the ban was clearly in bad faith, the tune changes when it's someone co-mingling in their circles, and I'll leave it at that since it would involve old Matrix conversations. If you haven't, that's good, although it's what ban happy behavior encourages. The only people whom bans like those works against are good faith participants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I noticed you have an 11 day old account... I take it you gathered enough bans to warrant a new account? Gmail lets you put a . or a + in your email address so you can still receive it. So if your email is bob@gmail.com, you can register a new account as bob+alt1@gmail.com and then bob+alt2@gmail.com... Since + is a valid email address character most places accept it and you can make infinite accounts with one email... Work with some fr33 tr14ls but don't tell everyone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) You really aren't making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now? And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy's and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Lemmy is terrible software for stopping bad actors. I feel like the devs designed it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) To be fair, it's easy to see the problem on Lemmy. Every place has it but Reddit and the like make it difficult to notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago Yeah, tho pretending any given account on reddit is a real person acting in good faith is ah… wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 11 points 5 months ago (2 children) Doesn't help that admins have at times decided to encourage alt'ing to bypass bans "because if they are good faith participants, they won't get banned again". The problem is the whole federated system means accommodating different standards. As a proponent of any decent implementation of the idea, I'd just like to point out that if we could select our own moderators for communities, a lot of these alts and sock puppets would probably have been handled by the people I would have aggregated to the list instead of just waiting for the time zone or availability to roll over to the official ones. A lot of these are blatantly obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skavau@piefed.social 9 points 5 months ago I don't think any amount of democratic community moderation voting (this case here is more to do with an absent instance owner) would prevent the phenomenon of idle, disinterested or otherwise too-busy moderators letting their communities be overrun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) Admin of what instance said that? I've only ever seen the opposite opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) They know who they are, and it depends on what's involved. Even if the ban was clearly in bad faith, the tune changes when it's someone co-mingling in their circles, and I'll leave it at that since it would involve old Matrix conversations. If you haven't, that's good, although it's what ban happy behavior encourages. The only people whom bans like those works against are good faith participants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I noticed you have an 11 day old account... I take it you gathered enough bans to warrant a new account? Gmail lets you put a . or a + in your email address so you can still receive it. So if your email is bob@gmail.com, you can register a new account as bob+alt1@gmail.com and then bob+alt2@gmail.com... Since + is a valid email address character most places accept it and you can make infinite accounts with one email... Work with some fr33 tr14ls but don't tell everyone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) You really aren't making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now? And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy's and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skavau@piefed.social 9 points 5 months ago I don't think any amount of democratic community moderation voting (this case here is more to do with an absent instance owner) would prevent the phenomenon of idle, disinterested or otherwise too-busy moderators letting their communities be overrun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) Admin of what instance said that? I've only ever seen the opposite opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) They know who they are, and it depends on what's involved. Even if the ban was clearly in bad faith, the tune changes when it's someone co-mingling in their circles, and I'll leave it at that since it would involve old Matrix conversations. If you haven't, that's good, although it's what ban happy behavior encourages. The only people whom bans like those works against are good faith participants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I noticed you have an 11 day old account... I take it you gathered enough bans to warrant a new account? Gmail lets you put a . or a + in your email address so you can still receive it. So if your email is bob@gmail.com, you can register a new account as bob+alt1@gmail.com and then bob+alt2@gmail.com... Since + is a valid email address character most places accept it and you can make infinite accounts with one email... Work with some fr33 tr14ls but don't tell everyone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) You really aren't making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now? And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy's and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org -5 points 5 months ago (1 child) They know who they are, and it depends on what's involved. Even if the ban was clearly in bad faith, the tune changes when it's someone co-mingling in their circles, and I'll leave it at that since it would involve old Matrix conversations. If you haven't, that's good, although it's what ban happy behavior encourages. The only people whom bans like those works against are good faith participants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I noticed you have an 11 day old account... I take it you gathered enough bans to warrant a new account? Gmail lets you put a . or a + in your email address so you can still receive it. So if your email is bob@gmail.com, you can register a new account as bob+alt1@gmail.com and then bob+alt2@gmail.com... Since + is a valid email address character most places accept it and you can make infinite accounts with one email... Work with some fr33 tr14ls but don't tell everyone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) You really aren't making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now? And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy's and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I noticed you have an 11 day old account... I take it you gathered enough bans to warrant a new account? Gmail lets you put a . or a + in your email address so you can still receive it. So if your email is bob@gmail.com, you can register a new account as bob+alt1@gmail.com and then bob+alt2@gmail.com... Since + is a valid email address character most places accept it and you can make infinite accounts with one email... Work with some fr33 tr14ls but don't tell everyone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) You really aren't making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now? And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy's and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) You really aren't making a good case for yourself if you are trying to promote ban evasion. Were your critics right, and is your gig up now? And no, this is just an alt, after experiencing some rather concerning double standards of enforcement in another instance as well as an harsh degree of escalation from said enforcement, this account represents a different approach on a platform that handles some things better than Lemmy's and avoids any presence on the aforementioned instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm actually trying to promote more proactive anti-ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 0 points 5 months ago I don't think Lemmy's fediverse model needs any more promotion than what it naturally has to allow for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children) ... So ban evasion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent [+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) What are you a proponent of, the Minority Report version of banning? Ironically enough, even without a ban this has meant I haven't even participated in their instance for anything, so not even that. Are we play acting that not even mods and admins have alts in other instances now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Just be honest lol permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FirstPrimeJonah@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Lemmy is terrible software for stopping bad actors. I feel like the devs designed it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) To be fair, it's easy to see the problem on Lemmy. Every place has it but Reddit and the like make it difficult to notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago Yeah, tho pretending any given account on reddit is a real person acting in good faith is ah… wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago Yeah, tho pretending any given account on reddit is a real person acting in good faith is ah… wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent