▲ 117 ▼ "I'm not against representation, but..." folks be like (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by Kirk@startrek.website to c/risa@startrek.website 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 6 points 6 months ago (7 children) What is that spiral? permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (3 children) Hakuchimoya, these are words of my people or something. Just Chakotay things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (2 children) I’m on a Voyager rewatch with one of our GenZ kids. It wasn’t long before we hit the episode with Chakotay coaching Janeway to find her spirit animal guide — I had to stop to explain why I was finding it uncomfortable. They’ve seen the whole series multiple times since middle school but hadn’t known about the entire fake ‘Indigenous consultant’ fiasco with Voyager. Conceptually, I appreciate the intention to have an authentic but non specific Indigenous character and hiring a consultant for that. That’s definitely intentional representation. I often wonder if the consultant pushed the EPs away from casting Canadian actor Tom Jackson in the role of Chakotay simply because Jackson, who is authentically Indigenous (Cree mother, raised on-reserve in Saskatchewan) would have likely outed the consultant as a fraud very quickly. Tom Jackson had played the role of Lakanta in the TNG 7th season Wesley-focused episode ‘Journey’s End.’ He was at the time, already in a senior main cast role in the groundbreaking CBC show North of 60 and had demonstrated his ability work in an ensemble with strong women characters. By all accounts, Jackson was in very serious consideration for the role of Chakotay. Beltran was a surprising choice by contrast. While Latin American Indigenous descent is part of his heritage, there were sincere questions raised about why the showrunners had chosen not to cast an actor who was raised and connected to his Inidgenous identity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I didn't know there was someone lined up before Beltran. Can you imagine the drama if the actor was put into a position to be like "Uhh, guys I'm not sure what's going on but this script is total bs" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I’m not sure ‘lined up’ is quite right. It’s more that Tom Jackson was considered the likely choice and was known to be under final consideration, but there were always others being tested for the role. But it would have been a huge conflict, even in the 90s. Jackson would have been leaving a groundbreaking Indigenous-focused show that laid the ground for authentic representation and storytelling to join the cast of Voyager. There is no likelihood he would have avoided questioning the consultant’s credibility. I’m wondering if Jackson raised some soft concerns in the auditions such that Paramount decided they didn’t want to risk frictions, not realizing that their contract advisor was the issue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kirk@startrek.website [S] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) The most tasteful way I could include a non white human character directly referring to their non white culture as being a part of their identity while also tiptoeing around the fact that the specific culture being represented was... not real permalink fedilink source parent [–] Beacon@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago I was wondering that too permalink fedilink source parent [–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 point 6 months ago not a damn clue tbh permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (3 children) Hakuchimoya, these are words of my people or something. Just Chakotay things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (2 children) I’m on a Voyager rewatch with one of our GenZ kids. It wasn’t long before we hit the episode with Chakotay coaching Janeway to find her spirit animal guide — I had to stop to explain why I was finding it uncomfortable. They’ve seen the whole series multiple times since middle school but hadn’t known about the entire fake ‘Indigenous consultant’ fiasco with Voyager. Conceptually, I appreciate the intention to have an authentic but non specific Indigenous character and hiring a consultant for that. That’s definitely intentional representation. I often wonder if the consultant pushed the EPs away from casting Canadian actor Tom Jackson in the role of Chakotay simply because Jackson, who is authentically Indigenous (Cree mother, raised on-reserve in Saskatchewan) would have likely outed the consultant as a fraud very quickly. Tom Jackson had played the role of Lakanta in the TNG 7th season Wesley-focused episode ‘Journey’s End.’ He was at the time, already in a senior main cast role in the groundbreaking CBC show North of 60 and had demonstrated his ability work in an ensemble with strong women characters. By all accounts, Jackson was in very serious consideration for the role of Chakotay. Beltran was a surprising choice by contrast. While Latin American Indigenous descent is part of his heritage, there were sincere questions raised about why the showrunners had chosen not to cast an actor who was raised and connected to his Inidgenous identity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I didn't know there was someone lined up before Beltran. Can you imagine the drama if the actor was put into a position to be like "Uhh, guys I'm not sure what's going on but this script is total bs" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I’m not sure ‘lined up’ is quite right. It’s more that Tom Jackson was considered the likely choice and was known to be under final consideration, but there were always others being tested for the role. But it would have been a huge conflict, even in the 90s. Jackson would have been leaving a groundbreaking Indigenous-focused show that laid the ground for authentic representation and storytelling to join the cast of Voyager. There is no likelihood he would have avoided questioning the consultant’s credibility. I’m wondering if Jackson raised some soft concerns in the auditions such that Paramount decided they didn’t want to risk frictions, not realizing that their contract advisor was the issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (2 children) I’m on a Voyager rewatch with one of our GenZ kids. It wasn’t long before we hit the episode with Chakotay coaching Janeway to find her spirit animal guide — I had to stop to explain why I was finding it uncomfortable. They’ve seen the whole series multiple times since middle school but hadn’t known about the entire fake ‘Indigenous consultant’ fiasco with Voyager. Conceptually, I appreciate the intention to have an authentic but non specific Indigenous character and hiring a consultant for that. That’s definitely intentional representation. I often wonder if the consultant pushed the EPs away from casting Canadian actor Tom Jackson in the role of Chakotay simply because Jackson, who is authentically Indigenous (Cree mother, raised on-reserve in Saskatchewan) would have likely outed the consultant as a fraud very quickly. Tom Jackson had played the role of Lakanta in the TNG 7th season Wesley-focused episode ‘Journey’s End.’ He was at the time, already in a senior main cast role in the groundbreaking CBC show North of 60 and had demonstrated his ability work in an ensemble with strong women characters. By all accounts, Jackson was in very serious consideration for the role of Chakotay. Beltran was a surprising choice by contrast. While Latin American Indigenous descent is part of his heritage, there were sincere questions raised about why the showrunners had chosen not to cast an actor who was raised and connected to his Inidgenous identity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I didn't know there was someone lined up before Beltran. Can you imagine the drama if the actor was put into a position to be like "Uhh, guys I'm not sure what's going on but this script is total bs" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I’m not sure ‘lined up’ is quite right. It’s more that Tom Jackson was considered the likely choice and was known to be under final consideration, but there were always others being tested for the role. But it would have been a huge conflict, even in the 90s. Jackson would have been leaving a groundbreaking Indigenous-focused show that laid the ground for authentic representation and storytelling to join the cast of Voyager. There is no likelihood he would have avoided questioning the consultant’s credibility. I’m wondering if Jackson raised some soft concerns in the auditions such that Paramount decided they didn’t want to risk frictions, not realizing that their contract advisor was the issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kirk@startrek.website [S] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I didn't know there was someone lined up before Beltran. Can you imagine the drama if the actor was put into a position to be like "Uhh, guys I'm not sure what's going on but this script is total bs" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I’m not sure ‘lined up’ is quite right. It’s more that Tom Jackson was considered the likely choice and was known to be under final consideration, but there were always others being tested for the role. But it would have been a huge conflict, even in the 90s. Jackson would have been leaving a groundbreaking Indigenous-focused show that laid the ground for authentic representation and storytelling to join the cast of Voyager. There is no likelihood he would have avoided questioning the consultant’s credibility. I’m wondering if Jackson raised some soft concerns in the auditions such that Paramount decided they didn’t want to risk frictions, not realizing that their contract advisor was the issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) I’m not sure ‘lined up’ is quite right. It’s more that Tom Jackson was considered the likely choice and was known to be under final consideration, but there were always others being tested for the role. But it would have been a huge conflict, even in the 90s. Jackson would have been leaving a groundbreaking Indigenous-focused show that laid the ground for authentic representation and storytelling to join the cast of Voyager. There is no likelihood he would have avoided questioning the consultant’s credibility. I’m wondering if Jackson raised some soft concerns in the auditions such that Paramount decided they didn’t want to risk frictions, not realizing that their contract advisor was the issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kirk@startrek.website [S] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) The most tasteful way I could include a non white human character directly referring to their non white culture as being a part of their identity while also tiptoeing around the fact that the specific culture being represented was... not real permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 point 6 months ago not a damn clue tbh permalink fedilink source parent