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[–] Flipper@feddit.org 126 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They can just sell their normal phone. As long as the user is able to run the installer it doesn't really matter.

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[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago*

During prohibition era, there was a brick of dried grapes being sold as a nutrition supplement or something like that, but it had a "warning" sticker attached saying specifically not to dissolve it in a specific quantity of water, and if that were to happen, do not let a specific quantity of yeast to fall in it, and especially not to let it sit for 6 weeks, or else you might end up with wine, which is forbidden!

I can see a cheeky sort of company selling a phone with a little warning label attached to it.....

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[+] Evotech@lemmy.world -51 points 5 months ago (5 children)

That’s probably not a viable economic decision though

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[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

If you can't open chrome on a pc, connect an android phone to it, and use a simple web tool you're probably not capable of any actual level of digital privacy.

This isn't me being elitist its just the fact that the resources needed to make this shit viable and easy are being tied up to corporations in order to make more easy-to-use corporate spyware.

Privacy under fascism takes time, effort, and education. Stop fucking expecting it to be OOTB. Society is literally engineered against that. Its not a reasonable ask of open source devs making privacy tools.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

What else can those who value privacy and have computer skills do but try to be a good example and offer to help to those around them without the know-how?

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[–] emokidforever@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Agreed, but teaching them the skills to do it themselves is better than doing the process for them.

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[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago

Look at the teacher over here with the sensible opinions about teaching people to fish ...

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[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, especially not when you barely have time in the day to take a drink yourself.

If someone doesn't have time or will to put privacy over convenience that's kind of their gig. It sucks but like I can't fuckin' change their life schedule/priorities.

I spend enough time documenting and working in my homelab, I don't need other people's too. I'll be happy to point people towards information and documentation, but that's about it.

However if you're not willing to:

bury your nose in multiple wikis
change out the OS on nearly every general purpose computing device you own
Live most of your online life anonymously/pseudononymously
Run a homelab (technically not required but makes life nicer)

You should stop while you're ahead.

If you have kids I have no fucking clue how you'd even begin.

At that point you're installing rootkit anticheat just to get little johnny playing games with their friends, fucking nightmare scenario.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

Big tech has their claws deep into education and I don't see that changing. Parts of the world see school shootings happen, a more obvious problem than lack of software freedom/privacy, but do not think that's bad enough to change. Having children right now may be a bad idea.

I've already distanced myself by deleted most (big-tech) social media platforms. Currently trying to ditch Discord but I don't see friends do the same. Stopping now may look like a good idea but the ick would remain.

When things really matter all we have is words or violence. I have no choice but to hope that good ideas win in the end, and that the world improves over time. Just be the best you can.

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[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah I'm trying to leverage my homelab for my friends that can't set one up just to make things even slightly better.

Ultimately there's only so much you can do to fight fascism.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

mandatory age verifications on the OS isn't a viable economic decision either, but that's not stopping Media Matters and Meta from forcing their shitty anti-privacy policies on citizens.

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[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

That’s probably not a viable economic decision though

Should still be a good deal for Motorola. There's a bunch of folks now who buy whatever phone runs GrapheneOS best. Whichever company courts us gets our business.

I'm sure we're not a landslide, but sometimes niche communities can still make a huge difference for a company.

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Hi, yes, it's me, I'm one of those bunch of folks who would willingly switch off Google's Tensor crap modem to ideally a Motorola phone with a Qualcomm modem that can run Graphene.

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[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago

Why?

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[–] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

If they ship with Android but confirm that GrapheneOS works, those who even know of GrapheneOS's existence will put in the effort to install it themselves. It's totally viable and a simple plan.

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[–] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 28 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Lol. The US is not the only market.

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[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 47 points 5 months ago (1 child)

And the US isn't the only place pulling this shit.

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[–] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I believe the US and Brazil are the only countries in the world forcing age verification. They chose to pull their infrastructure out of France bit there is no ban on the sale of devices with it installed.

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[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Germany has been discussing this for a while now. So are other EU states.

It's always the same. "We need to catch the pedophiles, end e2e" or "the Internet is not a lawless space, give us id".

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[–] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well, instead of us sitting here talking about GrapheneOS, an Android based system, why aren't we all talking about pure Linux based phones instead of feeding into the duopoly of Google/Apple?

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