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out of the loop, what's the problem with signal? (thelemmy.club)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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i've just seen a comment in a post, in this very community, saying people trust signal because of missinformation (from what i could undertand).

if this is true, then i have a few questions:

-what menssaging app should i use for secure communications? i need an app that balances simplicity and security.

-how to explain it to my friends who use signal because i recomended?

-what this means for other apps in general?

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[–] 40 points 5 months ago (9 children)

There is none. Theres like 0.1% of people who complain about it who have a valid point.

And those points are always meaningless in light of the alternative's drawbacks.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Agreed. I would add that most detractors don't understand what a threat model is and want a perfect solution, for no cost, and easy to use. Something which is impossible.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Being tied to US infrastructure isn't a valid concern?

    What then is the difference between it and Whatsapp? Both claim to use the Signal secure protocol but you can never confirm that since their codebases are closed source and proprietary.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    One is run by an advertising company that has been proven in court to be a bad actor and a strong motive to log and track anything they can

    The other is a non-profit without any real motive to sell you out, or any history of doing so

    Thats good enough for me and most others unless you're an extreme "trust no one" level of paranoia

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Its in usa, and its big. The chance that its compromised by cia is 100%.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Considering that all other alternatives are either

    • extremely difficult if not impossible for non-technical users to leverage, or
    • much, much worse, up to even eagerly giving out your data

    I consider Signal to be the best option out there. It’s not perfect, but nothing is. It simply is the best general option out there, by far, for a general audience.

    Yes, you can be totally secure, untraceable, and ultimately unfindable. But being cut into pieces, with each separate piece entombed in its own barrel of concrete, and each barrel dropped into a different oceanic trench, tends to be a bit beyond what I consider to be reasonable to achieve that.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    everyone around here talking about the CIA and nation states as part of their threat model...

    bro... you're worried about the CIA and mossad, and you think spinning up your own chat servers (simplex, matrix, etc.) as an amateur sysadmin is going to be MORE secure?

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