▲ 553 ▼ Systemd preparing to comply with age verification laws (github.com) submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by skyline2@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml 320 comments fedilink hide all child comments Fork time? Maybe all the anti-systemd zealots were right all along... Edit: To address whether it is likely that this change will affect users: Gnome is planning a stronger dependence on userdb, the part of systemd where this change is being implemented. https://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2025/06/10/gnome-systemd-dependencies/ Final Edit: The PR has been merged into main.
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 child) It's being added as a response to the age verification laws with the intended purpose to provide the age signal. It's age verification/attestation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -10 points 5 months ago (2 children) No. It's a date of birth. You're right that age verification comes next, but this is not it. Had this field been present before, none of this would matter. Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer. They're not a US citizen. They also didn't say they would contact the maintainers. They said they'd just change distro to a non-systemd one. And you're nothing but silly trying to act like this isn't about age "verification". We know it is, because it comes in response to the new california law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) If you're (or they) not a US citizen (or Brazilian) why would you care if they comply with local laws? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) They stated that reason very clearly in their original comment. I suggest you read it if you want to know why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes I can read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Contact your representative Right, so that they can ask if I'm stoned or stupid for asking them to affect laws in another country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Then this doesn't impact you in any form. (Especially since it's just a DoB). You can continue to whine but frankly I don't see the point then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lucas@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago Of course it does. This particular change may seem innocuous in itself, but the idea of compliance with ridiculous laws like this one, in one jurisdiction, being implemented in a project used globally will result in compromising everyone's privacy/security, regardless of whether they are even subject to that law or not. If anything, it's more troubling for those outside the relevant jurisdiction, since we get 0 say on the laws, and have no actual reason to comply. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -10 points 5 months ago (2 children) No. It's a date of birth. You're right that age verification comes next, but this is not it. Had this field been present before, none of this would matter. Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer. They're not a US citizen. They also didn't say they would contact the maintainers. They said they'd just change distro to a non-systemd one. And you're nothing but silly trying to act like this isn't about age "verification". We know it is, because it comes in response to the new california law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) If you're (or they) not a US citizen (or Brazilian) why would you care if they comply with local laws? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) They stated that reason very clearly in their original comment. I suggest you read it if you want to know why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes I can read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Contact your representative Right, so that they can ask if I'm stoned or stupid for asking them to affect laws in another country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Then this doesn't impact you in any form. (Especially since it's just a DoB). You can continue to whine but frankly I don't see the point then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lucas@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago Of course it does. This particular change may seem innocuous in itself, but the idea of compliance with ridiculous laws like this one, in one jurisdiction, being implemented in a project used globally will result in compromising everyone's privacy/security, regardless of whether they are even subject to that law or not. If anything, it's more troubling for those outside the relevant jurisdiction, since we get 0 say on the laws, and have no actual reason to comply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer. They're not a US citizen. They also didn't say they would contact the maintainers. They said they'd just change distro to a non-systemd one. And you're nothing but silly trying to act like this isn't about age "verification". We know it is, because it comes in response to the new california law permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) If you're (or they) not a US citizen (or Brazilian) why would you care if they comply with local laws? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) They stated that reason very clearly in their original comment. I suggest you read it if you want to know why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes I can read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago* (1 child) If you're (or they) not a US citizen (or Brazilian) why would you care if they comply with local laws? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) They stated that reason very clearly in their original comment. I suggest you read it if you want to know why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes I can read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) They stated that reason very clearly in their original comment. I suggest you read it if you want to know why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes I can read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes I can read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Contact your representative Right, so that they can ask if I'm stoned or stupid for asking them to affect laws in another country? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Then this doesn't impact you in any form. (Especially since it's just a DoB). You can continue to whine but frankly I don't see the point then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lucas@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago Of course it does. This particular change may seem innocuous in itself, but the idea of compliance with ridiculous laws like this one, in one jurisdiction, being implemented in a project used globally will result in compromising everyone's privacy/security, regardless of whether they are even subject to that law or not. If anything, it's more troubling for those outside the relevant jurisdiction, since we get 0 say on the laws, and have no actual reason to comply. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Orygin@sh.itjust.works -12 points 5 months ago (1 child) Then this doesn't impact you in any form. (Especially since it's just a DoB). You can continue to whine but frankly I don't see the point then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lucas@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago Of course it does. This particular change may seem innocuous in itself, but the idea of compliance with ridiculous laws like this one, in one jurisdiction, being implemented in a project used globally will result in compromising everyone's privacy/security, regardless of whether they are even subject to that law or not. If anything, it's more troubling for those outside the relevant jurisdiction, since we get 0 say on the laws, and have no actual reason to comply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lucas@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago Of course it does. This particular change may seem innocuous in itself, but the idea of compliance with ridiculous laws like this one, in one jurisdiction, being implemented in a project used globally will result in compromising everyone's privacy/security, regardless of whether they are even subject to that law or not. If anything, it's more troubling for those outside the relevant jurisdiction, since we get 0 say on the laws, and have no actual reason to comply. permalink fedilink source parent