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[+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 67 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 6 months ago (7 children) It's been a while since I used a mac but doesn't it literally say 'Finder' at the top of the screen when you open that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 19 points 6 months ago (4 children) You think all long time apple users know that the application name is up there, or that there is even a menu for the app at the top of the screen? No, sometimes telling people to click on the apple in the top left, so that they can go to restart, blows people's minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 11 points 6 months ago (3 children) I honestly still find it such a weird UX decision to decouple the menu from the application window. Especially when you have multiple windows open on a large screen, the menu is on the opposite corner of the screen. Makes no sense permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) it's a really interesting decision because while it makes the menu positioning consistent, it also creates a hard link between the active window and the desktop, which means that things like "hover to focus" and "click button in background window" fundamentally cannot work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Huh? Both hover to focus and click button in background work in macOS, though hover to focus usually requires an external application. There used to be a focus follows mouse that you could enable via a terminal command, but Apple removed it. The top menu bar kind of seems to be more of a result of historical happenstance, and maybe some different philosophies regarding Fitts law. Bill Atkinson, who designed the UX for the Apple Lisa recounts that part of the decision was to avoid the problem of menu items being possibly obscured. If the window of some application is near the bottom or partially off the desktop, the menu bar of individual windows can become obscured and inaccessible. Historically the menu bar would've been easier for normal people to learn due to consistency, and also helped with limited screen estate. Memories of Lisa - CHM - https://computerhistory.org/blog/memories-of-lisa/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] example@reddthat.com 17 points 6 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 20 points 6 months ago If it weren't for rating you poorly, that'd be incredible performance art. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 child) Oh, the Master Control Program? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 10 points 6 months ago I'm guessing that the user did eventually figure out it's labelled as "finder" and got pissy at you for being all pedantic and not just calling it what they call it because really, is the correct name so important? (Or is your standard-issue "read customers' thoughts to know what exactly they mean" device broken? Really, how can you call yourself support without crucial equipment to spare customers from having to be clear?) permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeiou_ckr@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (5 children) What is cx and what is PEBKAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) Oh, that one was new for me. In Denmark we something similar. We call it Error 40. ”Error 40", where the error is not in the machine, but approximately 40 cm in front of the screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago Nice haha, also a new one for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago approximately 40 cm Hmm, how approximate? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 6 months ago (7 children) It's been a while since I used a mac but doesn't it literally say 'Finder' at the top of the screen when you open that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 19 points 6 months ago (4 children) You think all long time apple users know that the application name is up there, or that there is even a menu for the app at the top of the screen? No, sometimes telling people to click on the apple in the top left, so that they can go to restart, blows people's minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 11 points 6 months ago (3 children) I honestly still find it such a weird UX decision to decouple the menu from the application window. Especially when you have multiple windows open on a large screen, the menu is on the opposite corner of the screen. Makes no sense permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) it's a really interesting decision because while it makes the menu positioning consistent, it also creates a hard link between the active window and the desktop, which means that things like "hover to focus" and "click button in background window" fundamentally cannot work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Huh? Both hover to focus and click button in background work in macOS, though hover to focus usually requires an external application. There used to be a focus follows mouse that you could enable via a terminal command, but Apple removed it. The top menu bar kind of seems to be more of a result of historical happenstance, and maybe some different philosophies regarding Fitts law. Bill Atkinson, who designed the UX for the Apple Lisa recounts that part of the decision was to avoid the problem of menu items being possibly obscured. If the window of some application is near the bottom or partially off the desktop, the menu bar of individual windows can become obscured and inaccessible. Historically the menu bar would've been easier for normal people to learn due to consistency, and also helped with limited screen estate. Memories of Lisa - CHM - https://computerhistory.org/blog/memories-of-lisa/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] example@reddthat.com 17 points 6 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 19 points 6 months ago (4 children) You think all long time apple users know that the application name is up there, or that there is even a menu for the app at the top of the screen? No, sometimes telling people to click on the apple in the top left, so that they can go to restart, blows people's minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 11 points 6 months ago (3 children) I honestly still find it such a weird UX decision to decouple the menu from the application window. Especially when you have multiple windows open on a large screen, the menu is on the opposite corner of the screen. Makes no sense permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) it's a really interesting decision because while it makes the menu positioning consistent, it also creates a hard link between the active window and the desktop, which means that things like "hover to focus" and "click button in background window" fundamentally cannot work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Huh? Both hover to focus and click button in background work in macOS, though hover to focus usually requires an external application. There used to be a focus follows mouse that you could enable via a terminal command, but Apple removed it. The top menu bar kind of seems to be more of a result of historical happenstance, and maybe some different philosophies regarding Fitts law. Bill Atkinson, who designed the UX for the Apple Lisa recounts that part of the decision was to avoid the problem of menu items being possibly obscured. If the window of some application is near the bottom or partially off the desktop, the menu bar of individual windows can become obscured and inaccessible. Historically the menu bar would've been easier for normal people to learn due to consistency, and also helped with limited screen estate. Memories of Lisa - CHM - https://computerhistory.org/blog/memories-of-lisa/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 11 points 6 months ago (3 children) I honestly still find it such a weird UX decision to decouple the menu from the application window. Especially when you have multiple windows open on a large screen, the menu is on the opposite corner of the screen. Makes no sense permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) it's a really interesting decision because while it makes the menu positioning consistent, it also creates a hard link between the active window and the desktop, which means that things like "hover to focus" and "click button in background window" fundamentally cannot work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Huh? Both hover to focus and click button in background work in macOS, though hover to focus usually requires an external application. There used to be a focus follows mouse that you could enable via a terminal command, but Apple removed it. The top menu bar kind of seems to be more of a result of historical happenstance, and maybe some different philosophies regarding Fitts law. Bill Atkinson, who designed the UX for the Apple Lisa recounts that part of the decision was to avoid the problem of menu items being possibly obscured. If the window of some application is near the bottom or partially off the desktop, the menu bar of individual windows can become obscured and inaccessible. Historically the menu bar would've been easier for normal people to learn due to consistency, and also helped with limited screen estate. Memories of Lisa - CHM - https://computerhistory.org/blog/memories-of-lisa/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) it's a really interesting decision because while it makes the menu positioning consistent, it also creates a hard link between the active window and the desktop, which means that things like "hover to focus" and "click button in background window" fundamentally cannot work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Huh? Both hover to focus and click button in background work in macOS, though hover to focus usually requires an external application. There used to be a focus follows mouse that you could enable via a terminal command, but Apple removed it. The top menu bar kind of seems to be more of a result of historical happenstance, and maybe some different philosophies regarding Fitts law. Bill Atkinson, who designed the UX for the Apple Lisa recounts that part of the decision was to avoid the problem of menu items being possibly obscured. If the window of some application is near the bottom or partially off the desktop, the menu bar of individual windows can become obscured and inaccessible. Historically the menu bar would've been easier for normal people to learn due to consistency, and also helped with limited screen estate. Memories of Lisa - CHM - https://computerhistory.org/blog/memories-of-lisa/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Huh? Both hover to focus and click button in background work in macOS, though hover to focus usually requires an external application. There used to be a focus follows mouse that you could enable via a terminal command, but Apple removed it. The top menu bar kind of seems to be more of a result of historical happenstance, and maybe some different philosophies regarding Fitts law. Bill Atkinson, who designed the UX for the Apple Lisa recounts that part of the decision was to avoid the problem of menu items being possibly obscured. If the window of some application is near the bottom or partially off the desktop, the menu bar of individual windows can become obscured and inaccessible. Historically the menu bar would've been easier for normal people to learn due to consistency, and also helped with limited screen estate. Memories of Lisa - CHM - https://computerhistory.org/blog/memories-of-lisa/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 months ago it's been a few years since my last mac but i remember that clicking on things in background windows would bring them forward rather than trigger the action, so you needed a second click to actually do the thing. i did enable focus on hover and it wreaked havoc on the window management so i had to turn it off. can't remember the details though. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 20 points 6 months ago If it weren't for rating you poorly, that'd be incredible performance art. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 child) Oh, the Master Control Program? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 10 points 6 months ago I'm guessing that the user did eventually figure out it's labelled as "finder" and got pissy at you for being all pedantic and not just calling it what they call it because really, is the correct name so important? (Or is your standard-issue "read customers' thoughts to know what exactly they mean" device broken? Really, how can you call yourself support without crucial equipment to spare customers from having to be clear?) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeiou_ckr@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (5 children) What is cx and what is PEBKAC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) Oh, that one was new for me. In Denmark we something similar. We call it Error 40. ”Error 40", where the error is not in the machine, but approximately 40 cm in front of the screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago Nice haha, also a new one for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago approximately 40 cm Hmm, how approximate? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) Oh, that one was new for me. In Denmark we something similar. We call it Error 40. ”Error 40", where the error is not in the machine, but approximately 40 cm in front of the screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago Nice haha, also a new one for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago approximately 40 cm Hmm, how approximate? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) Oh, that one was new for me. In Denmark we something similar. We call it Error 40. ”Error 40", where the error is not in the machine, but approximately 40 cm in front of the screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago Nice haha, also a new one for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago approximately 40 cm Hmm, how approximate? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago Nice haha, also a new one for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago Nice haha, also a new one for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago approximately 40 cm Hmm, how approximate? permalink fedilink source parent
