▲ 229 ▼ Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027 (www.yahoo.com) submitted 5 months ago by AntiBullyRanger@ani.social to c/privacy@programming.dev 65 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social [S] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) In the blackbox computer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plz1@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Infrared sensors would be defeat-able. Integrated telemetry stuff (speed, driving habits, aggressiveness) no so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Depends on if they're tied to the CAN bus. If so, all sensors can be spoofed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Tie them to a CANNOT bus permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Whoever downvoted you doesn't appreciate humour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Personally, I'm wondering what a big magnet might do to something like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Almost nothing is magnetic storage anymore. So unless you're spinning the magnet fast near the thing, you're not likely to affect the device at all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tyler@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Over the sensors… There’s zero chance that if these sensors fail they disable the car. You wouldn’t be able to bring them in for work. So covering the sensors should easily work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Think they'd just tell you to tow the car? Tesla vehicles do this, and right now they are leading the auto industry in making cars worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago And yet you can disable the annoying slow moving beeping in any normal EV without it shutting down the car. Car manufacturers will do the minimum possible to not piss off customers. They’re not going to deal with all the craziness of what happens if the sensors stop working when driving, and how it would slow down the car, etc. they’re just gonna make it fail safe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plz1@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Infrared sensors would be defeat-able. Integrated telemetry stuff (speed, driving habits, aggressiveness) no so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Depends on if they're tied to the CAN bus. If so, all sensors can be spoofed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Tie them to a CANNOT bus permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Whoever downvoted you doesn't appreciate humour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Personally, I'm wondering what a big magnet might do to something like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Almost nothing is magnetic storage anymore. So unless you're spinning the magnet fast near the thing, you're not likely to affect the device at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Depends on if they're tied to the CAN bus. If so, all sensors can be spoofed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Tie them to a CANNOT bus permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Whoever downvoted you doesn't appreciate humour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Tie them to a CANNOT bus permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Whoever downvoted you doesn't appreciate humour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Whoever downvoted you doesn't appreciate humour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Or maybe they know some full-form of CANNOT permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Well, I literally CANNOT. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Personally, I'm wondering what a big magnet might do to something like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Almost nothing is magnetic storage anymore. So unless you're spinning the magnet fast near the thing, you're not likely to affect the device at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Almost nothing is magnetic storage anymore. So unless you're spinning the magnet fast near the thing, you're not likely to affect the device at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tyler@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Over the sensors… There’s zero chance that if these sensors fail they disable the car. You wouldn’t be able to bring them in for work. So covering the sensors should easily work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Think they'd just tell you to tow the car? Tesla vehicles do this, and right now they are leading the auto industry in making cars worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago And yet you can disable the annoying slow moving beeping in any normal EV without it shutting down the car. Car manufacturers will do the minimum possible to not piss off customers. They’re not going to deal with all the craziness of what happens if the sensors stop working when driving, and how it would slow down the car, etc. they’re just gonna make it fail safe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Think they'd just tell you to tow the car? Tesla vehicles do this, and right now they are leading the auto industry in making cars worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago And yet you can disable the annoying slow moving beeping in any normal EV without it shutting down the car. Car manufacturers will do the minimum possible to not piss off customers. They’re not going to deal with all the craziness of what happens if the sensors stop working when driving, and how it would slow down the car, etc. they’re just gonna make it fail safe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago And yet you can disable the annoying slow moving beeping in any normal EV without it shutting down the car. Car manufacturers will do the minimum possible to not piss off customers. They’re not going to deal with all the craziness of what happens if the sensors stop working when driving, and how it would slow down the car, etc. they’re just gonna make it fail safe. permalink fedilink source parent