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TIL that last month, a rich man in New Jersey killed a pedestrian and left the scene. He was put on trial. The jury found him guilty. 15 minutes later, he walked out free. (www.nytimes.com)
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[–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

The discussion is about liquid democracy. It is only form of democracy that doesn't result in zionazi oligarchist corporatist supremacism, but generally, the privilege of voting on every pardon is not the main appeal.

My, bestest, form of liquid democracy is that you have the option to delegate your vote on any silo of topics/legislation to anyone who can delegate all the votes they "control" to anyone else too. So voter fatigue is not a real argument. You're not obligated to vote. If you had delegated your vote to someone who voted for pardon in OP, you might be pissed off at them, and "recall" your support immediately.

Digital ID is only reasonable under guarantee of a non evil state. Liquid democracy is both a great use of Digital ID, and only permitted imposition of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    It is only form of democracy that doesn’t result in zionazi oligarchist corporatist supremacism

    That's just wishful thinking.

    Voter fatigue + lack of time to actually read the laws they're voting on means it would be even easier for "zionazi oligarchist corporations" to just have a group of couple of hundred employees whose only job would be to vote along the "zionazi oligarchist corporation's" line.

    My, bestest, form of liquid democracy is that you have the option to delegate your vote on any silo of topics/legislation to anyone who can delegate all the votes they “control” to anyone else too

    What do you do if you delegate your vote to X, X delegates their votes to Y, Y delegates them to Z and you realise that Z goes completely against your views?

    Anyway, that's just representative democracy with extra steps. We already have this.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    What do you do if you delegate your vote to X, X delegates their votes to Y, Y delegates them to Z and you realise that Z goes completely against your views?

    You withdraw your delegation from X, and lobby for others to withdraw support for Z, and introduce recall/revote resolution to overturn a bad law if you care about the bad law.

    just have a group of couple of hundred employees whose only job would be to vote along the “zionazi oligarchist corporation’s” line.

    That's going to be far less than the 50% voting margin required to institute evil.

    Generally, UBI means an alternative to any corrupt giveaway to a lobby group has the alternative of increasing the UBI. Business/Employees can still get rich by making something useful for the larger consumer base instead of lobbying government to extort employees, consumers and tax payers.

    that’s just representative democracy with extra steps.

    Corrupt representatives that ziosplain why you should suffer and die, and oligarchy needs all your money, instead of responding to people's needs, occurs because of the 2-4 year election cycle, and distractions during election time. You only need to fool most of the people on one day.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why didn't you respond to my point about voter fatigue?

    You withdraw your delegation from X

    And you really don't see a problem with people giving and taking their votes away willy-nilly?

    You really, honest to god, don't see this as yet another avenue for fraud, masqueraded as mistakes?

    That’s going to be far less than the 50% voting margin required to institute evil.

    It's going to be vastly more than the 50% voting margin, because most people will be so overloaded with non-stop voting prompts, that they'll just stop doing it.

    Generally, UBI means an alternative to any corrupt giveaway to a lobby group has the alternative of increasing the UBI

    UBI only works for the "little man". It doesn't solve anything for Big Business and CEOs who make six to eight figures.

    Corrupt representatives that ziosplain why you should suffer and die, and oligarchy needs all your money, instead of responding to people’s needs, occurs because of the 2-4 year election cycle, and distractions during election time

    OK, here's an idea: before you start campaigning for a complete rebuild of the voting system that is 100% doomed to fail, how about you first read about democracies in other countries? Read about France, Spain, Sweden, even Poland with all its shortcomings.

    Maybe you'll see that the issue is not with the system as it is, it's with education, involvement, and enforcement.

    The US failed because of the lack of these three elements. If people were more educated, Trump wouldn't win. If more people were involved, Trump wouldn't win. If there was proper law enforcement, Trump wouldn't have been able to even start.

    All three of these elements failed, creating the ultimate shitstorm.

    Your system works perfectly fine.... on paper. Just like capitalism (remember "trickle down economy"? Assuming it works, we can presume everyone will be happy) or communism (assuming it works, we can presume everybody has access to everything).

    The issue with your system is the exact same issue that makes capitalism or communism impossible - greed and laziness exist.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    voter fatigue?

    You get to delegate/redelegate your vote as often or rarely as you want to, instead of every 2-4 years.

    UBI only works for the “little man”. It doesn’t solve anything for Big Business and CEOs who make six to eight figures.

    UBI makes the rich richer, even with high taxes on the rich. Instead of government protecting the wealth of the rich through extortion power, the rich need to invest/work (or hire more) harder to collect back all of the tax money they spend. UBI saves money for society/taxpayers because war on (against???) poverty costs huge a huge bureaucracy expense, and while only essential role of governance, is a pointless distraction that would contribute to voter fatigue when all political capital is entrenched to make poverty a practical threat to oppress workers.

    how about you first read about democracies in other countries? Read about France, Spain, Sweden, even Poland with all its shortcomings.

    These are at least dysfunctional as US. Even more Russophobia and foreign (US) bootlicking control, with ultra cheap CIA/Atlanticist control of every political party allowed to run and all media. Democracy might as well be defined as how much a country supports genocidal US/Zionazi regime, because the correlation with "legitimate government" is absolute.

    Liquid democracy, and perhaps even more, UBI makes truth and freedom more powerful for pluralist outcomes, because of the multitiude of personal freedom, including the freedom to promote social prosperity outcomes, without the corruption of money/media making truth/progress impossible. Constitution, and electoral theater, is absolutely worthless. There needs a military coup in order to evolve progress, because corrupt power politics ensures corrupt oppression.

    Your genuinely absurd grasp to protect existing corruption and dysfunctional lack of any progress, saying the magic solution is better education and news fatigue, doesn't even have a path to more education, or more hate programing when the educated pick the less evil binary choice. You are simply disgusting for whatever dementia made you write this.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Even more Russophobia and foreign (US) bootlicking control, with ultra cheap CIA/Atlanticist control

    Ah... You're that kinda guy. Got it. Waste of time.

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