▲ 657 ▼ I traced $2 billion in nonprofit grants and 45 states of lobbying records to figure out who's behind the age verification bills (www.reddit.com) submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by ikidd@lemmy.world to c/linux@programming.dev 101 comments fedilink hide all child comments God, I hate posting a Reddit comment, but this is huge. Every claim is sourced (I have not verified personally). Edit: Well, Reddit does what reddit does, it's been removed. Here is a github link: https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/985257 Comments
[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) ...why are we talking about JS and fingerprinting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The application of age indication is just going to be another metric that these companies use for fingerprinting and person identification, one that some analyst on their inside possibly considered a useful data point. And while this particular API might be an easy one to target, for removal as a patch, it might end up being part of a JS framework that many websites use and will break in case the return value is not available. So if people require sites to work, this will become just another feature, requiring similar mitigations to other JS features I mentioned, that will need to be handled in a way that it increases the anonymity of the user, lest the user be subjected to harassment. By "harassment", I mean the actual inescapable kind, not just random internet trolls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) The application of age indication is just going to be another metric that these companies use for fingerprinting As I said, there's nothing to suggest they would receive such an indicator, as far as I'm aware. The indicator is only required between the app store and the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Facebook has "apps", no? Last I checked, it had stuff like FarmVille, FrontierVille, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) We weren't talking about apps, we were talking about Facebook like buttons on websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Causation: FaceBook website has apps FaceBook website is an App store FaceBook website requires access to Age API Firefox needs to passthrough Age API to Facebook's domain All embedded FaceBook buttons now get to see your OS's age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The application of age indication is just going to be another metric that these companies use for fingerprinting and person identification, one that some analyst on their inside possibly considered a useful data point. And while this particular API might be an easy one to target, for removal as a patch, it might end up being part of a JS framework that many websites use and will break in case the return value is not available. So if people require sites to work, this will become just another feature, requiring similar mitigations to other JS features I mentioned, that will need to be handled in a way that it increases the anonymity of the user, lest the user be subjected to harassment. By "harassment", I mean the actual inescapable kind, not just random internet trolls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) The application of age indication is just going to be another metric that these companies use for fingerprinting As I said, there's nothing to suggest they would receive such an indicator, as far as I'm aware. The indicator is only required between the app store and the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Facebook has "apps", no? Last I checked, it had stuff like FarmVille, FrontierVille, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) We weren't talking about apps, we were talking about Facebook like buttons on websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Causation: FaceBook website has apps FaceBook website is an App store FaceBook website requires access to Age API Firefox needs to passthrough Age API to Facebook's domain All embedded FaceBook buttons now get to see your OS's age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) The application of age indication is just going to be another metric that these companies use for fingerprinting As I said, there's nothing to suggest they would receive such an indicator, as far as I'm aware. The indicator is only required between the app store and the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Facebook has "apps", no? Last I checked, it had stuff like FarmVille, FrontierVille, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) We weren't talking about apps, we were talking about Facebook like buttons on websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Causation: FaceBook website has apps FaceBook website is an App store FaceBook website requires access to Age API Firefox needs to passthrough Age API to Facebook's domain All embedded FaceBook buttons now get to see your OS's age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Facebook has "apps", no? Last I checked, it had stuff like FarmVille, FrontierVille, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) We weren't talking about apps, we were talking about Facebook like buttons on websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Causation: FaceBook website has apps FaceBook website is an App store FaceBook website requires access to Age API Firefox needs to passthrough Age API to Facebook's domain All embedded FaceBook buttons now get to see your OS's age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) We weren't talking about apps, we were talking about Facebook like buttons on websites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Causation: FaceBook website has apps FaceBook website is an App store FaceBook website requires access to Age API Firefox needs to passthrough Age API to Facebook's domain All embedded FaceBook buttons now get to see your OS's age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Causation: FaceBook website has apps FaceBook website is an App store FaceBook website requires access to Age API Firefox needs to passthrough Age API to Facebook's domain All embedded FaceBook buttons now get to see your OS's age permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) That's not an app store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Does the Court ask you? Does the legislature? Does Meta come to ask what you call an "App Store"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) The legislation clearly states what is and is not an app store. I'd recommend you mull it over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (3) APP.—The term “app” means a software application or electronic service that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. (4) APP STORE.—The term “app store” means a publicly available website, software application, or other electronic service that distributes and facilitates the download of an app from a third-party developer by a user of a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device. 100% sure they all come in the category of an "App Store" when convenient for the lobbyist. permalink fedilink source parent