▲ 518 ▼ Spain permanently withdraws ambassador as rift with Israel deepens (www.reuters.com) submitted 5 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/world@lemmy.world 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -5 points 5 months ago (2 children) There weren’t accepted as Europeans in Europe. That’s the whole reason Zionism even started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (1 child) No doubt, but murdering and forcing people out of their homes isn't an appropriate way to deal with being persecuted. A religious document about some people millennia ago doesn't actually give you any entitlement to someone else's land. And from the very beginning, Zionism's goal was to exclude Arabs from the region, based on plain racist hatred. Just because they were victims of antisemitism in Europe does not mean they couldn't continue to perpetrate their own evils, and it's notable that the antisemite leaders of the time wholeheartedly supported the Zionist project, as do by and large their descendants in the fascist movements of today - because it gets the Jews out of Europe and kills Muslims, they think of it as two birds with one stone. The only long term solution anywhere is for everyone to have equal rights, and it is wrong for Europe and now the US to export their apartheid elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Theodor Herzl‘s book Der Judenstaat paints a future where Jews and Arabs live together peacefully. He was kind of an influential Zionist. Jews moving to Israel bought their land legally, often malaria infested swampland where nobody lived. The locals answered to this peaceful immigration of refugees with violence (Hebron massacre, Arab revolt, etc.). As you correctly point out, Jews had nowhere else to go. Israel was the place where they could survive and have a future as a people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) They bought land "legally" from previous colonizers. British law shouldn't have been valid there in the first place permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Land ownership was dealt with under the ottoman system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Yes, the ottoman EMPIRE. Colonizers permalink fedilink source parent [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Yes, to get rid of them. We shipped them to the middle east and they agreed. Israelis are just self-hating jews who agreed not to mix with white people and stay on the wrong side of the mediteranea. Internalised antisemitism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Also they have bought into the promise of being tolerated, sometimes even supported, as long as they participate in the oppression of ethnicities further down in the colonial and racist hierarchy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (1 child) No doubt, but murdering and forcing people out of their homes isn't an appropriate way to deal with being persecuted. A religious document about some people millennia ago doesn't actually give you any entitlement to someone else's land. And from the very beginning, Zionism's goal was to exclude Arabs from the region, based on plain racist hatred. Just because they were victims of antisemitism in Europe does not mean they couldn't continue to perpetrate their own evils, and it's notable that the antisemite leaders of the time wholeheartedly supported the Zionist project, as do by and large their descendants in the fascist movements of today - because it gets the Jews out of Europe and kills Muslims, they think of it as two birds with one stone. The only long term solution anywhere is for everyone to have equal rights, and it is wrong for Europe and now the US to export their apartheid elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Theodor Herzl‘s book Der Judenstaat paints a future where Jews and Arabs live together peacefully. He was kind of an influential Zionist. Jews moving to Israel bought their land legally, often malaria infested swampland where nobody lived. The locals answered to this peaceful immigration of refugees with violence (Hebron massacre, Arab revolt, etc.). As you correctly point out, Jews had nowhere else to go. Israel was the place where they could survive and have a future as a people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) They bought land "legally" from previous colonizers. British law shouldn't have been valid there in the first place permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Land ownership was dealt with under the ottoman system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Yes, the ottoman EMPIRE. Colonizers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Theodor Herzl‘s book Der Judenstaat paints a future where Jews and Arabs live together peacefully. He was kind of an influential Zionist. Jews moving to Israel bought their land legally, often malaria infested swampland where nobody lived. The locals answered to this peaceful immigration of refugees with violence (Hebron massacre, Arab revolt, etc.). As you correctly point out, Jews had nowhere else to go. Israel was the place where they could survive and have a future as a people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) They bought land "legally" from previous colonizers. British law shouldn't have been valid there in the first place permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Land ownership was dealt with under the ottoman system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Yes, the ottoman EMPIRE. Colonizers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) They bought land "legally" from previous colonizers. British law shouldn't have been valid there in the first place permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Land ownership was dealt with under the ottoman system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Yes, the ottoman EMPIRE. Colonizers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Land ownership was dealt with under the ottoman system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Yes, the ottoman EMPIRE. Colonizers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago Yes, the ottoman EMPIRE. Colonizers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Yes, to get rid of them. We shipped them to the middle east and they agreed. Israelis are just self-hating jews who agreed not to mix with white people and stay on the wrong side of the mediteranea. Internalised antisemitism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Also they have bought into the promise of being tolerated, sometimes even supported, as long as they participate in the oppression of ethnicities further down in the colonial and racist hierarchy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago Also they have bought into the promise of being tolerated, sometimes even supported, as long as they participate in the oppression of ethnicities further down in the colonial and racist hierarchy. permalink fedilink source parent