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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 66 points 3 years ago (56 children)

Well Zelensky did say that he was inspired by Israel and wanted to model Ukraine to be like Israel.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 years ago (55 children)

    By slaughtering innocent minorities and stealing their land?

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago (54 children)

    Yeah considering that's what they were doing in Donbass

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (53 children)

    Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake"

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (5 children)

    How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"?

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Yes. You're getting close.

    Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied?

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point.

    I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality.

    Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals".

    Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all"

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else

    You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason

    Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov?

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (11 children)

    Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children)

    His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing

    If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself?

    Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum?

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014?

    No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there.

    Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea?

    Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy?

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (20 children)

    Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts.

    On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (18 children)

    Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication

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