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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 85 points 3 years ago (57 children) Have you seen how Israel conducts diplomacy with the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 66 points 3 years ago (56 children) Well Zelensky did say that he was inspired by Israel and wanted to model Ukraine to be like Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 56 child comments replies: [–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 70 points 3 years ago (55 children) By slaughtering innocent minorities and stealing their land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 55 child comments replies: [–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago (54 children) Yeah considering that's what they were doing in Donbass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 54 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 3 years ago* (53 children) Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 years ago (14 children) So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago (12 children) If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago (20 children) Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts. On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* Hot dog man dead permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication :PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS: permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago* Libs:"Tankies think everything is CIA propaganda" Also Libs: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 66 points 3 years ago (56 children) Well Zelensky did say that he was inspired by Israel and wanted to model Ukraine to be like Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 56 child comments replies: [–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 70 points 3 years ago (55 children) By slaughtering innocent minorities and stealing their land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 55 child comments replies: [–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago (54 children) Yeah considering that's what they were doing in Donbass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 54 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 3 years ago* (53 children) Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 years ago (14 children) So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago (12 children) If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago (20 children) Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts. On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* Hot dog man dead permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication :PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS: permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago* Libs:"Tankies think everything is CIA propaganda" Also Libs: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 70 points 3 years ago (55 children) By slaughtering innocent minorities and stealing their land? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 55 child comments replies: [–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago (54 children) Yeah considering that's what they were doing in Donbass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 54 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 3 years ago* (53 children) Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 years ago (14 children) So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago (12 children) If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago (20 children) Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts. On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* Hot dog man dead permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication :PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS: permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago* Libs:"Tankies think everything is CIA propaganda" Also Libs: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago (54 children) Yeah considering that's what they were doing in Donbass permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 54 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 3 years ago* (53 children) Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 years ago (14 children) So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago (12 children) If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago (20 children) Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts. On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* Hot dog man dead permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication :PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS: permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago* Libs:"Tankies think everything is CIA propaganda" Also Libs: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 3 years ago* (53 children) Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 years ago (14 children) So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself permalink fedilink source parent [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago (12 children) If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago (20 children) Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts. On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* Hot dog man dead permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication :PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS: permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago* Libs:"Tankies think everything is CIA propaganda" Also Libs: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 51 points 3 years ago (14 children) So you agree with fascist mercenaries? Cool to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (13 children) I also think cake tastes good which aligns me straight with Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 3 years ago (8 children) Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers? Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (5 children) How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago (4 children) Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers. https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children) Yes. You're getting close. Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children) I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point. I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality. Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals". Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago* Yeah, it's fucked up. Also, thanks for engaging in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 29 points 3 years ago* (3 children) You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Russian media is untrustworthy and I've yet to meet a hexbear user that says otherwise. We just also recognize American media to be untruswot. Good thing we're able to critique our sources and think critically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago (12 children) If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (11 children) Oh there's plenty of other reasons to impeach Trump. Why would he even be impeached over that, though. I don't really follow US news, it's silly over there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago* (8 children) His first impeachment was over him extracting personal political benefit from sending weapons to Ukraine that they were using to carry out their ethnic cleansing If the ethnic cleansing were 100% fabricated by Russian propaganda then the Hillary Cliintons of the USA are Putin bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (7 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? That this war has been going on for a while? Why wouldn't the US send Ukraine aid to defend itself? Regarding the US reaction back then in general, though: Why didn't the US enforce the Budapest memorandum? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (6 children) You are aware that Russia already invaded in 2014? No they didn't. They were already there. The biggest feature of Crimea is the naval base that Russia had been leasing since Ukraine had a legitimately elected government. When the US supported Nazi led coup regime took power they tried to cancel the lease. The Russians simply stayed put. They didn't invade. They were already there. Are there any more fundamental understandings of recent history you would like me to catch you up on? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) You realise that Crimea is larger than Sevastopol and Donetsk and Luhansk are not on Crimea? Also, that "US supported Nazi coup" is 100% Russian propaganda not backed by anything but fantasy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) Nuland/pyatt call at minimum shows that they took advantage of already existing protests to do a soft coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ever wonder why they impeached him over some bullshit most people didn't give a fuck about in a country most people didn't know existed at the time instead of the mountains of evidence of his predatory behavior? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago No. Yanks impeached a President over a blowjob, that is, any- and everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 years ago (20 children) Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts. On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (18 children) Ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers by what, a Russian-speaking army? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies) [–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (12 children) By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments load more comments (12 replies)
[–] Blursty@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 years ago (4 children) By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication :PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS::PIGPOOPBALLS: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gelamzer@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago* Libs:"Tankies think everything is CIA propaganda" Also Libs: permalink fedilink source parent