▲ 518 ▼ Spain permanently withdraws ambassador as rift with Israel deepens (www.reuters.com) submitted 5 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/world@lemmy.world 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 5 months ago (2 children) I'm from Germany, not much better here 😕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) All of Europe is pretty bad on the global stage right now, but Germany is the worst. Love to Germany from Sweden permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Germany wanting to have the strongest army in Europe and investing more money into the military than it ever has since Nazi Germany is totally not something we should worry about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) What I worry about is that Germany has a pathetic military doctrine and no comprehensive strategy for sustaining its economy beyond "rules-based world order, multilateral cooperation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Honestly, that's not what I worry about at all. I'm worried about the military buildup that is happening (not just in Germany). Nobody should have to die to protect state interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I get it. You're not wrong. The problem is that there are violent people out there who will take advantage of and victimize entire cities, countries or civilizations if they can. If not another state, then a straight up mercenary army of the rich. The fact that the entire world is suddenly feeling the need to arm themselves is of course super disturbing, counter-productive and is coming at the worst time ever given that all of this effort needs to go into climate disaster mitigations. And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sie können echt machen was sie wollen und sobald wir nicht absolut hinter ihnen stehen sind wir Antisemiten. Das muss aufhören. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Stattdessen wollen wir noch mehr mit Israel zusammenarbeiten, vor allem militärisch. Aber scheinbar ist es ja okay, wenn es die Guten sind, die Menschen töten und es ist nur schlimm, wenn es die Bösen, wie Russland oder China, machen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Ja, wir stehen ja alle voll dahinter. Also außer dem Volk natürlich, das denkt inzwischen anders. Und ja, leider zeigt die aktuelle Situation mit ihren vielen Facetten gerade sehr ausdrücklich dass Regeln nur dann wichtig sind, wenn bestimmte sie nicht befolgen. Ich frage mich immer ob allen Beteiligten klar is wohin es führt wenn das am Ende jeder versteht. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) All of Europe is pretty bad on the global stage right now, but Germany is the worst. Love to Germany from Sweden permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Germany wanting to have the strongest army in Europe and investing more money into the military than it ever has since Nazi Germany is totally not something we should worry about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) What I worry about is that Germany has a pathetic military doctrine and no comprehensive strategy for sustaining its economy beyond "rules-based world order, multilateral cooperation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Honestly, that's not what I worry about at all. I'm worried about the military buildup that is happening (not just in Germany). Nobody should have to die to protect state interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I get it. You're not wrong. The problem is that there are violent people out there who will take advantage of and victimize entire cities, countries or civilizations if they can. If not another state, then a straight up mercenary army of the rich. The fact that the entire world is suddenly feeling the need to arm themselves is of course super disturbing, counter-productive and is coming at the worst time ever given that all of this effort needs to go into climate disaster mitigations. And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 months ago (1 child) Germany wanting to have the strongest army in Europe and investing more money into the military than it ever has since Nazi Germany is totally not something we should worry about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) What I worry about is that Germany has a pathetic military doctrine and no comprehensive strategy for sustaining its economy beyond "rules-based world order, multilateral cooperation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Honestly, that's not what I worry about at all. I'm worried about the military buildup that is happening (not just in Germany). Nobody should have to die to protect state interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I get it. You're not wrong. The problem is that there are violent people out there who will take advantage of and victimize entire cities, countries or civilizations if they can. If not another state, then a straight up mercenary army of the rich. The fact that the entire world is suddenly feeling the need to arm themselves is of course super disturbing, counter-productive and is coming at the worst time ever given that all of this effort needs to go into climate disaster mitigations. And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) What I worry about is that Germany has a pathetic military doctrine and no comprehensive strategy for sustaining its economy beyond "rules-based world order, multilateral cooperation" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Honestly, that's not what I worry about at all. I'm worried about the military buildup that is happening (not just in Germany). Nobody should have to die to protect state interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I get it. You're not wrong. The problem is that there are violent people out there who will take advantage of and victimize entire cities, countries or civilizations if they can. If not another state, then a straight up mercenary army of the rich. The fact that the entire world is suddenly feeling the need to arm themselves is of course super disturbing, counter-productive and is coming at the worst time ever given that all of this effort needs to go into climate disaster mitigations. And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Honestly, that's not what I worry about at all. I'm worried about the military buildup that is happening (not just in Germany). Nobody should have to die to protect state interests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I get it. You're not wrong. The problem is that there are violent people out there who will take advantage of and victimize entire cities, countries or civilizations if they can. If not another state, then a straight up mercenary army of the rich. The fact that the entire world is suddenly feeling the need to arm themselves is of course super disturbing, counter-productive and is coming at the worst time ever given that all of this effort needs to go into climate disaster mitigations. And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I get it. You're not wrong. The problem is that there are violent people out there who will take advantage of and victimize entire cities, countries or civilizations if they can. If not another state, then a straight up mercenary army of the rich. The fact that the entire world is suddenly feeling the need to arm themselves is of course super disturbing, counter-productive and is coming at the worst time ever given that all of this effort needs to go into climate disaster mitigations. And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) And yet, if one party feels they can just pick up territory with their superior capacity for violence, the rest of us are kind of forced to try to deter that. The thing is, I disagree with that. This state is not something I think is worth defending with my life. I'd rather live under Putin than die on the front lines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 point 5 months ago I'm not saying I'm right here, but I used to feel that way too. I think what changed for me was when ISIL started running amok in Iraq, knowing that this was the plan for Iran as well. Now my family home, and my family, is getting bombed by an empire in its death throes. I don't want to die on the front lines and I certainly don't want to kill anyone, but I will oppose with my life and my body those who victimize others, if I must. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Sie können echt machen was sie wollen und sobald wir nicht absolut hinter ihnen stehen sind wir Antisemiten. Das muss aufhören. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Stattdessen wollen wir noch mehr mit Israel zusammenarbeiten, vor allem militärisch. Aber scheinbar ist es ja okay, wenn es die Guten sind, die Menschen töten und es ist nur schlimm, wenn es die Bösen, wie Russland oder China, machen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Ja, wir stehen ja alle voll dahinter. Also außer dem Volk natürlich, das denkt inzwischen anders. Und ja, leider zeigt die aktuelle Situation mit ihren vielen Facetten gerade sehr ausdrücklich dass Regeln nur dann wichtig sind, wenn bestimmte sie nicht befolgen. Ich frage mich immer ob allen Beteiligten klar is wohin es führt wenn das am Ende jeder versteht. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Stattdessen wollen wir noch mehr mit Israel zusammenarbeiten, vor allem militärisch. Aber scheinbar ist es ja okay, wenn es die Guten sind, die Menschen töten und es ist nur schlimm, wenn es die Bösen, wie Russland oder China, machen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Ja, wir stehen ja alle voll dahinter. Also außer dem Volk natürlich, das denkt inzwischen anders. Und ja, leider zeigt die aktuelle Situation mit ihren vielen Facetten gerade sehr ausdrücklich dass Regeln nur dann wichtig sind, wenn bestimmte sie nicht befolgen. Ich frage mich immer ob allen Beteiligten klar is wohin es führt wenn das am Ende jeder versteht. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Ja, wir stehen ja alle voll dahinter. Also außer dem Volk natürlich, das denkt inzwischen anders. Und ja, leider zeigt die aktuelle Situation mit ihren vielen Facetten gerade sehr ausdrücklich dass Regeln nur dann wichtig sind, wenn bestimmte sie nicht befolgen. Ich frage mich immer ob allen Beteiligten klar is wohin es führt wenn das am Ende jeder versteht. permalink fedilink source parent