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[–] 11 points 7 months ago* (34 children)

How can he be both President and Secretary of whatever specific bullshit this is?

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    I think it means that Trump is replacing her with someone else, not that he's taking both positions. I was confused at first too.

    From the article:

    President Donald Trump says he's replacing his embattled Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and will nominate in her place Oklahoma Republican Sen. Markwayne Mullin.

    The headline is just really stupidly worded.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    It's certainly some light title gore.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (13 children)

    It certainly is not, unless you also think "I'm going to make you a pie" is me literally threatening to turn you into a pastry.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    OK, fine, it's medium title gore.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (11 children)

    If your takeaway from that headline, given what I will afford you are two technically semantically correct options, is that the POTUS, for literally the first time in history, is acting as a member of their own cabinet and not just that they're replacing a member thereof, it's not incumbent on the Associated Press to account for that. I'm consistently baffled at how much people will blame news headlines for their own functional illiteracy and then refuse to even peek into the article for five seconds to check.

    To read the title that way at first is a brain fart; to still be confused after stopping and thinking for a second is stupidity. To not check the article afterward is willful ignorance.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    My point is that it's poorly worded.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It isn't; you just really fucking suck at reading and want to blame that on professional writers. Not just reading as a skill but reading as a casual interest, given you again intentionally didn't even check the article.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe these "professional writers" could take a cue from the dozens of other writers that wrote less shitty headlines about the exact same thing.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    You mean like BBC News: "Live updates: Trump replaces Homeland Security chief Kristi Noem"

    It's a basic English sentence that you just couldn't and didn't try to understand and then shamelessly blamed anyone but yourself for. Cry harder.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    "Cry harder," says the only person worked up about a humorous comment pointing out ambiguous language.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    ... is that the POTUS, for literally the first time in history ...

    To be fair, there are a lot of things Trump has done that were firsts for the office. I initially misread the headline too, simply because I wouldn't be surprised if Trump did something absurd like replacing Noem with himself. Because he does a lot of absurd things that have never been done by a US president before. I understood it correctly after reading more, but if someone's misreading the headline as something bizarre, it's probably because every headline is bizarre nowadays.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    I understand what you're saying, and it's at that point any media-literate person (you) thinks: "Hmm, I'll just check the article and clear this up." To even get to that point, you'd not just have to buy Trump would try to do that (I don't, but I see how someone could); much more importantly, you'd have to assume the headline, for some godforsaken reason, isn't taking into account how unusual it is and therefore being crystal clear that Trump is trying to insert himself in the role.

    Reading the headline that way is already an enormous leap that basically only makes semantic sense, but refusing to follow up on that interpretation is where I draw the line between someone who didn't understand at first and tried to and someone who actively chose not to understand. The latter I've run out of patience for over the last decade; the former show strong character through how they respond to a mistake.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    The title is accurate, but it is also poorly worded because of that possible interpretation.

    You're getting downvotes because people aren't willing to admit their brains picked the the stupidest interpretation of the headline and just went with that instead of actually thinking about the more likely way it was meant, or reading ANY of the article to verify. They're reacting to defend that initial assumption, instead of acknowledging that they made an incorrect off the cuff assumption from the headline and just moving on with their day. They're doing exactly what MAGA does, that they criticize them for constantly, and a source of how we got into this political shitstorm of a system in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (17 children)

    Agentive interpretation, not anticausative.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (16 children)

    If only there were some way to make the title less arbitrary.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (15 children)

    It's not arbitrary - it's ambiguous. Context clues, world knowledge, and the entire attached article are more than enough to resolve the ambiguity.

    All natural human languages show structural ambiguity like this, especially when it comes to headlines which famously favor brevity over clarity, and the built in feature of human language to solve it is pragmatics.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (14 children)

    You're right that "ambiguous" would have been a better word.

    Anyway, the title is too ambiguous and could have been better worded like the other dozen articles I've seen about the exact same thing, which was my singular point the entire time.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (13 children)

    Use your pragmatics module! Find those context clues! You can do it! I believe in you!

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    How else do you think I could point out its ambiguity, champ?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Going back and reading the thread it doesn't look like you were the one to point out the ambiguity, champ. Reads more like you were initially confused and then got defensive about it.

    Probably could have been written a bit more clearly so that it was less ambiguous, champ.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (10 children)

    My original comment was clearly a humorous take on the ambiguity, sport.

    Sorry about you sense of humor, li'l guy.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Maybe not as clearly as you thought, champ.

    Also, Jesus dude. I initially only wanted to drop some knowledge about agentives vs. anticausatives, not have a huge snarky slapfight just because you chose an incredibly odd and incorrect hill to die on elsewhere in the thread.

    Maybe try to have less of a hair trigger in response to innocuous comments in the future.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Sure, sweet thing. You literally agreed that the title was ambiguous. How was it "incorrect" of me to point that out?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Because of your additional normative position that that's somehow a bad thing, instead of being a perfectly normal part of language that you have the faculties to easily resolve, as mentioned above.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    No, buttercup, it's not a bad thing to point out that poor phrasing is poor.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    Poor by what objective metric that doesn't ultimately boil down to "because I said so"?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'd ask you the same question, chuckles, if you hadn't already agreed with my initial assessment.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Pragmatics-Blackwell-Textbooks-Linguistics/dp/139419675X

    Enjoy! Just because you're ignorant about something doesn't mean everyone else is too.

    In short, a headline being interpretable from available context is a descriptive, empirical phenomenon, as opposed to the question of whether ambiguity is "bad", which is a normative, unprovable statement with no objective merit.

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