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[–] 65 points 7 months ago (50 children)

Conflicted on who I’m supporting here.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The safety of civilians in the region. You don't have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.

    he’s clearly the bigger evil here.

    iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.

    But they have been supplying drones to a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations...

    We can say both sides are evil, it's okay. Nuance is rare enough already as it is without needing to discourage it when we see it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    all nations are evil. but the one in which I am currently stuck I am allowed, at least currently, to recognize is doing harm to the world the likes of which has never before been seen.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but that doesn't mean we have to choose one to support. Saying the IRGC is evil doesn't imply support for the US invasion, and saying the US invasion is evil doesn't imply support for the IRGC.

    It's like sanity has gone out there window. Let's not forget that not supporting either side is always an option.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    i do not support any side. what gave that opinion? i am just currently reacting to how deplorable the side i am stuck under is behaving.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I wasn't trying to say you in particular are choosing a side. Just venting about how on lemmy in general, a lot of people overreact if I say anything even slightly critical of the Iranian regime.

    Even before this US/Israeli invasion, on a post about iranian student protesters, people were accusing me of being a zionist because it expressed support for the Iranian students who were protesting...

    Yes, the current regime in the US is deplorable. The regime in the Knesset is also deplorable. But the Iranian regime is deplorable too. Like, it's entirely possible for all those things to be true, and they are...

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  • [+] -11 points 7 months ago (24 children)

    well you can simply vote out trump at your next election if you wish

    you can’t vote out a dictatorship

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    the dictatorship is capitalism here in the US. it also can’t be voted out.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    lol... all the best countries in the world have capitalism

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Not all countries have the power our oligarchs have. They're trying everywhere, but they have succeeded in the US.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    This is just blame shifting, you could have voted for Kamala, you voted for Trump, this is not anyone elses fault, nor is it capitalisms which functions perfectly well in hundreds of countries

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And you could kick out Rupert Murdock, but you personally haven't, so I guess that's your fault.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    sure, I guess I better start blaming capitalism for all my woes now

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I was not the one who passed Citizens United.

    I was not the one who set up Fox News and right-wing radio as propaganda outlets.

    I was not the one who chose to make the Republicans work with Evangelicals to push wedge issues.

    I was not the one who bought up all the media outlets to push Republican propaganda.

    But sure, put all the blame on me when I've done my part to vote, try and convince others to vote, protested some when I could which hasn't been all that much. I even have a wikipedia page because of something I did in 2009 to try and help.

    But keep on blaming me and not the fascists and not the oligarchs who actually orchestrated this thing if it makes you feel better about yourself.

    Are you happy with yourself now for blaming me? Do you feel better?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    i don’t understand how you went from understanding “you” to mean america and now you’re typing “you” as in you personally ?

    obviously you are not the sole reason trump is elected

    it is your country that decided that collectively

    To me infantising them as if they accidentally fell for republican garbage like they would totally have voted for kamala if not for some reason is just excuses

    most countries have right wing groups, we have skynews here in Australia as a right wing propaganda outlet, and plenty of shadow organisations like advance

    we also have a bat shit lady pauline hanson running her party to lead australia

    just if she gets in don’t expect me to complain about fox news, the internet, capitalism, oligarchs or something

    it would simply be what the people of australia wanted

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    ...so do all the worst countries in the world. In fact, all the countries have it. That's the problem.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    the worst country in the world is north korea and it's communist, so you could have it worse

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (5 children)

    If they were communist in more than name, their proletariat wouldn't be starving to death while their rulers get fat.

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    Every implementation of "communism" back to lenin, stalin, and mao has been "communism in name only."

    Lenin literally instructed the bolsheviks to kill all the soviets after he lost an election to them, so that he could seize power and install puppets in their positions.

    If you actually read marx, communism was supposed to be a democratic system governed by what are essentially workers unions. Lenin and trotsky are where it veered off course.

    And I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass. When I argue with tankies they call me a capitalist simply because I reject their bolshevism. Believe it or not, nuanced and well-informed takes are allowed on the internet.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    They sure are! The only problem is you've just tried to convince the one person on this forum who doesn't give a shit about communism

    I live in Australia, it's fuckin amazing,there's no need for communism here m8

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's great and all, but anyone in the Middle-class or above tend to be complacent with capitalist systems even when most of the value they produce by their labor gets syphoned and hoarded by the owner-class, and doled out to the c-suite in huge bonuses, while your pay and benefits packages stagnate.

    Also ignoring constantly rising prices and enshittification due to corporate greed and "infinite growth" mentality, constantly trying to maximize profits and never accepting a stable system as "good enough."

    There are a lot of problems with capitalism when you really dig into it, and not all of its problems are limited to only effecting the poor.

    But if you live in a nation with public healthcare and education funded by taxpayer dollars, congratulations! You're benefiting from elements of socialism.

    Under a purely capitalist system, those things would be privatized and commodified like they are in the US. You know, that renowned american healthcare and education... that's capitalism in a nutshell.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Under a purely capitalist system, those things would be privatized and commodified like they are in the US. You know, that renowned american healthcare and education…

    Yes I'm very well aware of the problems of America, you guys literally won't shut the fuck up about them 😩

    I'd argue it represents a bigger problem with democracy than capitalism though, the only reason you don't have universal healthcare and education is because your countries voters don't want it

    If they did they would have elected representatives who do and implemented it

    Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It could've been. But dumbfucks threw a tantrum over Harris.

    This is on their heads. Never let it be forgotten.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    don’t forget: the ppl who voted 3rd party.

    even if they voted for harris she still would have lost. she did a piss poor job at her campaign. if the primary actually picked her instead of joe dropping she’d likely have done much better.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I kind of doubt that will be true. Don't you think if our system actually worked trump would have been some how taken from presidency? Or at least something would be happening. Like anything real...

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Then you need 2 things:

    1. People to stand up and run as a politician against people like Trump and commit to putting him in jail

    2. Have people vote for said person

    As opposed to in Iran where you only have 1 option

    1. Like it or die

    There is nothing stopping America from being similar to NZ/Canada/France/Sweden or insert whatever idealist state you look up to with universal healthcare, gun control etc, you just need people to vote for it

    Left Wing Americans are constantly saying that capitalism is the problem because they seem unable or unwilling to talk to their neighbours

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    The problem isn't the system. The system exists only to help the people maintain the upper hand. It's the people themselves. Trump is only a symptom of a problem with the people. In fact, even if he drops dead tomorrow, you'll find a queue of a couple of dozen even worse psychopaths waiting to take his place.

    It's hard to see the problem when you're part of the US society. But it's evident from the outside. An average of more than one school shooting happens in the US per day. This isn't even a news these days. But it's unheard of and unbelievable in other nations. If anything similar happens, it would be news and discussion for a year. You don't go to churches or malls or railway stations (there is such a thing) worrying if you'll die of gunshots.

    Political assassinations are a big deal elsewhere - even of a political opponent. You should have seen the US republicans celebrating the murder of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. So the left must be good, right? Of course, they were celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The sudden disappearance of a human life is something most people can't stomach. Yet, people were celebrating the gory videos!

    Similar attitude with armies. There are no just wars. Wars always cause unjust and unimaginable suffering. Wars must be avoided. Of course that's not an option sometimes. Then your aim must be to attain the objective as fast as possible and restore peace. But all wars are holy wars for Americans. They don't even tolerate it when I suggest that even their military may be committing war crimes (that's charitable, considering what's reported). To them, their military is the righteous force that can do no evil!

    This is part of a pattern of excess pride, often called the 'American exceptionalism'. Americans also give little value to perspectives of people in other countries. Many behave as if the US is the entire world! Problems like the Trump-Epstein regime will continue to repeat until Americans start to introspect and self-criticize. It will happen until a big section of Americans open up their mind to the perspectives of others.

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