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Donald Trump cuts all US trade with Spain over Iran war dispute (www.jpost.com)
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[+] 68 points 7 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (30 children)
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  • [–] 73 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The upside is that it has the potential to bring Europe even closer together.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Which also means that the people behind trump are also going to lose money. He can't piss off his handlers.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Good thing it's not actually happening then.

    Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he's willing to do that.

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  • [+] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.

    All he's doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.

    The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.

    Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it's seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.

    Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we're in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing. And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.

    Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that's another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    yhea, but it's like ripping of a bandaid. the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better

    And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn't vote for Trump, all the vulnerable... just... fuck 'em?

    I don't really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that's going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it'll just fuck over it's people, is bad for you.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I'm not American.

    I don't think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don't think there's any situation in which a nation will "just fuck over it's people" - we live in a globalized world, that's a pipe dream.

    I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn't refer to them as "it's people".

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn't vote for Trump, all the vulnerable... just... fuck 'em?

    They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It's one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I'm not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I'm not going to complain now that nature is running its course.

    I don't really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth.

    Me neither, but it's better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Surely looking at the global economy through a western capitalist perspective is the answer.

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