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Karim Diané from Star Trek: Starfleet Academy is doing an AMA on Lemmy today (thelemmy.club)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/bestoflemmy@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://startrek.website/post/35769143

Hi StarTrek.website, I'm Karim Diané aka Jay-Den Kraag from Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, AMA! (Responding to questions Thursday @4pm!)

Karim Diané from Star Trek: Starfleet Academy is doing an AMA on Lemmy today
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[–] 9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I feel like online discourse about media is spoiled by loud fringes. There's a distressing amount of people who don't like women, queer folks, minorities, etc. They won't say that's why they don't like a show. Some of them might not even realize. They just feel unconsciously uncomfortable when there's a woman in charge or two men holding hands, and they reach for a more socially acceptable reason to reject it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    I feel like discourse is not worth having, its too many people being upset by opinions they dont agree with.

    But yes, if you tell people that certain opinions are not allowed to be expressed, then they will tell you another reason they dont like the show. That is what happens. If you want the actual reason, you have to allow it to appear.

    Many fans are seeing this star trek as being a vehicle for removing masculinity from the show, because the creators think its bad. But some of the new audience will say "whats the big deal, why cant we have a women be feminine and why cant we have gay klingons".

    So yeah, different perspectives, and a large reason why so different opinions about it.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    if you tell people that certain opinions are not allowed to be expressed, then they will tell you another reason they dont like the show. That is what happens. If you want the actual reason, you have to allow it to appear.

    This is interesting. I feel like people are allowed to say "I don't think women should lead". They just don't like the consequences of having that opinion. They want to say something cruel or afactual without anyone uninviting them from parties.

    Many fans are seeing this star trek as being a vehicle for removing masculinity from the show,

    If that's true, it's another example of conservatives having atrocious media literacy. There's ample masculinity in the show. Perhaps they're upset that it's not exclusively the kind they want to see. Conservatives are not known for enjoying other perspectives and new takes.

    Which I guess is your first point again. They have unwelcome beliefs so they'll contort them into something they feel has less consequences. That's easier than admitting maybe they're wrong or their beliefs are bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This is interesting. I feel like people are allowed to say “I don’t think women should lead”. They just don’t like the consequences of having that opinion. They want to say something cruel or afactual without anyone uninviting them from parties.

    I agree, but would add that in some cases it's a little more subtle than that. A fair number of people are fundamentally sexist but feel uncomfortable within themselves about their beliefs, so:

    • see something that goes against a belief
    • feel revulsion
    • subconsciously realize their belief contradicts other (more charitable) beliefs that they themselves hold
    • seek another reason for feeling that revulsion
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Right. Cognitive dissonance. We all suffer it sometimes. I guess it takes uncommon courage and clarity to work through it. Most people would rather do the least effort to preserve their sense of being a good person.

    Being sexist is bad

    They are good

    They don't like this show because it has a woman lead

    That's sexist

    But they're good

    Can't change "sexism is bad". Can't change "they are good". Only thing left to change is the reason they don't like the show. Easy-peasy.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Most people would rather do the least effort to preserve their sense of being a good person.

    Well, it's like that Occam's Razor, right? It's simpler to believe: "I don't like it because of (excuse)" instead of "Some of my fundamental beliefs are completely wrong and I need to re-examine them." Such a person may feel that this is not quite the full story, but are all our thoughts completely examined? It's not necessarily malicious to say: I've figured this out 'well enough' for now, and I can move on to something else.

    This is an important distinction because then to tell such a person that they're "bad" or that they "hate" is completely meaningless to them. They don't consciously hate, they just adopt oppressive philosophies and they've never needed to examine them.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The Oatmeal did a comic worth reading about this: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

    Some people are really loathe to do any self reflection or assessment. I gather their sense of self and worth is very fragile, and looking too hard might make it collapse.

    Like, some people you could say "Eating meat is bad for these reasons" and they'll just lash out. Not enough emotional HP to tank the hit.

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