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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] muelltonne@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

Very difficult to say this for sure. Some of the acts we’ve seen are on the same level, frankly. And how could you possibly measure this, objectively? I don’t think this can be argued meaningfully, and so should be removed from your argument.

I was attacked by people from dbzer0 and called "pro genocide" for saying that, but: There is of course a way to measure and compare violent acts. There is a whole academic field called "Comparative Genocide Studies" which, as you can guess, studies genocides, their differences, how they were committed and is trying to compare them or to categorize them. There are also people doing this from a military point of view studying how wars are fought and so on. That is something you can do - but not here on Lemmy.

As to the German law: Is that applicable here on Lemmy? Is it up to the mods to interpret German law and apply it?

Yes? Feddit.org is an austrian/german site and therefore has to operate under local rules. The fediverse is not some lawless cyberspace thing. It has servers running in datacenters and those servers have to account for local laws. It has people funding those servers and those people are people living in their home country have to obey local laws.

[-] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

I think people attacking you as "pro-genocide" is exactly as reasonable as the German standard disallowing comparison of Nazism, which is funny.

The existence of a field of study which purports to compare genocide doesn't validate your assertion that Israel is less evil than the third Reich. I still don't think you can make this point.

The German law around speech comparing anything to Nazism sounds complex and subtle. I would argue that it's a matter for the courts to decide, rather than for unqualified moderators to overcomply in advance.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

If you are a coward then just don't talk at all sbout Gaza and don't defend zionism

[-] jaschop@awful.systems 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I don't think we can expect commenters to be as nuanced as an academic specializing in genocides.

On the legal front, it is to me morally obvious that that comment was pretty measured and deleting it was fucked. If you claim to do a fucked thing for legal reason, I think it's fair to demand evidence that you are under legal duress. Is there a history of feddit specifically or german fedi sites.in general being hammered for "antisemitic" comments?

The answer to that would determines how much I am pissed at german authorities for misapplying the law or at feddit admins for being biased and/or cowards.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

those people are people living in their home country have to obey local laws.

You have a moral responsibility to disobey moral injustices, even when, actually, especially when they are codified into law. If you rely on the German standard you have no functional mechanism to communicate that a genocide as as bad as the Holocaust is occurring. Which is obviously ridiculous, and you should disobey that law.