▲ 1468 ▼ Just saying (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by JimmyMemes@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world 252 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) How is it so expensive? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's not an answer. In my city for example, the water and trash service are public and price duplicated from 2024, water pipes, sanitation and all that is public infrastructure maintained by the city, the only thing private in this whole thing may be the trash trucks. Energy is also heavily subsidized and we still have to pay a lot. In my experience government doesn't make utilities cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) If it was private, you would pay more for the same service, because the private company has all the same costs as now, but also needs to make a profit. So if you keep it public, it will cost less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Not necessarily, it could also be better run, more efficient with less employees. For example maybe instead of 4 sets of at least 2 trash containers around my street there would only be 2 or 1 with all the pertinent colors (the company does more stuff than water) But I guess this is the bad side of living in a country with more public employees than private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That would be a reduction in the service quality, which is the other thing that always happens when utility services are privatised. So you get to pay more money for less service. The company has no incentive to provide a good service, because what else are you going to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) The government has no incentive to provide a good service because what are you going to do? Stop paying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) That's not an answer. In my city for example, the water and trash service are public and price duplicated from 2024, water pipes, sanitation and all that is public infrastructure maintained by the city, the only thing private in this whole thing may be the trash trucks. Energy is also heavily subsidized and we still have to pay a lot. In my experience government doesn't make utilities cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) If it was private, you would pay more for the same service, because the private company has all the same costs as now, but also needs to make a profit. So if you keep it public, it will cost less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Not necessarily, it could also be better run, more efficient with less employees. For example maybe instead of 4 sets of at least 2 trash containers around my street there would only be 2 or 1 with all the pertinent colors (the company does more stuff than water) But I guess this is the bad side of living in a country with more public employees than private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That would be a reduction in the service quality, which is the other thing that always happens when utility services are privatised. So you get to pay more money for less service. The company has no incentive to provide a good service, because what else are you going to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) The government has no incentive to provide a good service because what are you going to do? Stop paying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) If it was private, you would pay more for the same service, because the private company has all the same costs as now, but also needs to make a profit. So if you keep it public, it will cost less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Not necessarily, it could also be better run, more efficient with less employees. For example maybe instead of 4 sets of at least 2 trash containers around my street there would only be 2 or 1 with all the pertinent colors (the company does more stuff than water) But I guess this is the bad side of living in a country with more public employees than private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That would be a reduction in the service quality, which is the other thing that always happens when utility services are privatised. So you get to pay more money for less service. The company has no incentive to provide a good service, because what else are you going to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) The government has no incentive to provide a good service because what are you going to do? Stop paying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Not necessarily, it could also be better run, more efficient with less employees. For example maybe instead of 4 sets of at least 2 trash containers around my street there would only be 2 or 1 with all the pertinent colors (the company does more stuff than water) But I guess this is the bad side of living in a country with more public employees than private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That would be a reduction in the service quality, which is the other thing that always happens when utility services are privatised. So you get to pay more money for less service. The company has no incentive to provide a good service, because what else are you going to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) The government has no incentive to provide a good service because what are you going to do? Stop paying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) That would be a reduction in the service quality, which is the other thing that always happens when utility services are privatised. So you get to pay more money for less service. The company has no incentive to provide a good service, because what else are you going to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) The government has no incentive to provide a good service because what are you going to do? Stop paying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) The government has no incentive to provide a good service because what are you going to do? Stop paying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) You can not re-elect the ppl to decide who runs it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child) No I can't when the people voting just say "let's the government do it" without thinking about why or what would that improve. I can vote against the current gov, I can try to convince people or make them think but as you proved in a previous reply they will just ignore it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) No you can't personally decide who runs anything, in either case. But you get a vote when it's a government, you get nothing when it's private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) You vote with your wallets, it's has a bigger impact on how companies proceed. I can't fight the local company because competition isn't allowed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Spending money isn't voting. permalink fedilink source parent
