▲ 1939 ▼ When DinoCon is doing more than the US Gov (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 190 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/scientist-jack-horner-linked-to-jeffrey-epstein-in-newly-released-doj-files
[–] xorollo@leminal.space 28 points 6 months ago (13 children) Wow so many pedo apologizers in the comments. permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago (1 child) I never thought I would see pedophilia become a political issue. The MAGA cult is real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 6 months ago Well, y'know, those little girls were sluts. /S permalink fedilink source parent [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 months ago (10 children) My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious. There's zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (9 children) not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile. he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not. the notion that anyone who ever interacted with him in anyway is a pedophile or pedophile supporter is an incredibly broad and stupid approach. there are various levels of participation and interact with him. he clearly had an inner circle, an outer circle, and then 10000s of tangential connections with various people. hopefully with more disclosure of the files who is who will become apparent. punish the guilty who committed crimes. not their associates. guilt by association is cognitive bias that seeks to punish innocent people for merely being in proximity to those who commit crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 6 months ago Epstein's behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was "Finally, what took them so long?" Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind. There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 15 points 6 months ago (4 children) This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an "innocent before proven guilty" justice system. I think it's also fair for you to read the article before commenting. The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (3 children) And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details. the issue I'm addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago “I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them. You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement "after his conviction." As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again. Its not even some weird ass "gray area" thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago (1 child) I never thought I would see pedophilia become a political issue. The MAGA cult is real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 6 months ago Well, y'know, those little girls were sluts. /S permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 6 months ago Well, y'know, those little girls were sluts. /S permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 months ago (10 children) My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious. There's zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (9 children) not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile. he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not. the notion that anyone who ever interacted with him in anyway is a pedophile or pedophile supporter is an incredibly broad and stupid approach. there are various levels of participation and interact with him. he clearly had an inner circle, an outer circle, and then 10000s of tangential connections with various people. hopefully with more disclosure of the files who is who will become apparent. punish the guilty who committed crimes. not their associates. guilt by association is cognitive bias that seeks to punish innocent people for merely being in proximity to those who commit crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 6 months ago Epstein's behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was "Finally, what took them so long?" Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind. There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 15 points 6 months ago (4 children) This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an "innocent before proven guilty" justice system. I think it's also fair for you to read the article before commenting. The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (3 children) And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details. the issue I'm addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago “I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them. You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement "after his conviction." As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again. Its not even some weird ass "gray area" thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (9 children) not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile. he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not. the notion that anyone who ever interacted with him in anyway is a pedophile or pedophile supporter is an incredibly broad and stupid approach. there are various levels of participation and interact with him. he clearly had an inner circle, an outer circle, and then 10000s of tangential connections with various people. hopefully with more disclosure of the files who is who will become apparent. punish the guilty who committed crimes. not their associates. guilt by association is cognitive bias that seeks to punish innocent people for merely being in proximity to those who commit crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 6 months ago Epstein's behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was "Finally, what took them so long?" Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind. There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 15 points 6 months ago (4 children) This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an "innocent before proven guilty" justice system. I think it's also fair for you to read the article before commenting. The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (3 children) And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details. the issue I'm addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago “I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them. You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement "after his conviction." As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again. Its not even some weird ass "gray area" thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 6 months ago Epstein's behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was "Finally, what took them so long?" Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind. There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 15 points 6 months ago (4 children) This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an "innocent before proven guilty" justice system. I think it's also fair for you to read the article before commenting. The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (3 children) And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details. the issue I'm addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago “I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (3 children) And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details. the issue I'm addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago “I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago “I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I don't really think it's up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren't justice, but I don't really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we're at it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated. But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization. My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It's little more than grandstanding moralizing PR. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them. You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement "after his conviction." As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again. Its not even some weird ass "gray area" thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was. permalink fedilink source parent
