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Tesla Robotaxis Reportedly Crashing at a Rate That's 4x Higher Than Humans (gizmodo.com)
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Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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[–] 80 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Nah, that one's on Elon just being a stubborn bitch and thinking he knows better than everybody else (as usual).

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  • [–] 58 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Even if they were, would it not be better to give the car better senses?

    Humans don't have LIDAR because we can't just hook something into a human's brain and have it work. If you can do that with a self-driving car, why cut it down to human senses?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Cameras are inferior to human vision in many ways. Especially the ones used on Teslas.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I am a Human and there were occasions where I couldn't tell if it's an obstacle on the road or a weird shadow...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I feel like camera only could theoretically pass human performance, but that hinges entirely on AI models that do not currently exist, and that those models, when they do exist, are capable of running inside of a damn car.

    At that point, it'd be cheaper to just add LiDAR...

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    And, we humans have built-in binocular vision that we've been training for at least 1.5 decades by the time we're allowed to drive.

    Also, think about what you do in that situation where there's a weird shadow. Slow down, sure. But, also move our heads up and down, side to side, trying to use that powerful binocular vision to get different angles on that strange shadow. How many front-facing cameras does Tesla have. Maybe 3, and one of those is mounted on the bumper? In theory, 3 cameras could give it 3 different "viewpoints" for binocular vision. But, that's not as good as a human driver who can shift their eyes around to multiple points to examine a situation. And, if one of those 3 cameras is obscured (say the one on the bumper) you're down to basic binocular vision without even the ability to take a look from a different angle.

    Plus, we have evidence that Tesla isn't even able to use its cameras to achieve binocular vision. If it worked, it shouldn't have fallen for the Wile E. Coyote trick.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Well I mean if you believe that it is possible in a safe way it's the one thing that Tesla's got going for it compared to Waymo which is way ahead of them. Personally I don't but I can see the sunk cost.

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