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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

I completely understand what you are saying, but your ENTIRE argument hinges on this statement:

Any fight that depends on democrats leading it is doomed to fail by design.

We have to stop accepting this bullshit. We need to give the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries the hook, and drag them off stage. We have a growing contingent of strong, moral, decent Progressives who are quickly gaining in strength and popularity, and the Midterms are going to see a whole lot more come on board.

MAGA started in the 90s, when hard right Republicans, inspired by Rush Limbaugh's rhetoric, won Congress, and started infiltrating the Republican party. By the time Obama arrived, they'd become the proto-MAGA Tea Party, and thing started to get really squirrelly. Then MAGA fully took over the party, and officially killed the Republican Party, which is as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in a scholarly, historical context. They are ALL MAGA now.

The Progressives have to do the same thing to the Democratic Party. They need to take it over and be extremely aggressive about leading it. We can't just surrender the vehicle that we need in the upcoming political Demolition Derby that's coming, or the MAGA vehicle (probably a SwastiKKKar), will run right over us.

You're right, we can't win with the current Democratic Party, we ALL acknowledge that, so the solution is to armor our Democratic vehicle, get the best leaders, and the angriest citizens, and go to war with MAGA. We face unprecedented problems, and we require unprecedented solutions. We can't just fall back on old bad ideas, and old bad defenses. Obviously, what we did in the past didn't work, so let's stop assuming they are the only defenses against MAGA. The old ways didn't work, so let's create NEW strategies, and not just surrender in advance because Dems won't fight for us.

They are our Army, FORCE them to fight for us.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

We have to replace all the leaders, but the majority will go with the tide when we get populist alternatives. But the Jeffries, Schumers, superdelegates, consultants, party chairs, fundraising chiefs, fundraisers, all need to go. They are collectively the problem. Leaving them in position weakens the party, and make no mistake they will throw the election before losing control of it. If a populist won the nomination over their furious machinations, they would sue, and start their own party, taking their lists with them, draining accounts of money, and running a third party bid themselves.

Let them, they can get a taste of their own medicine for a change. They only barely win primaries as the safe choice, there are precious few that actually like them and aren't just supporting them because they have something to gain. When they can't seemingly produce those benefits their support will collapse.

That said, this current environment started further back, 1971. The Business Roundtable saw a few super rich companies huddle up and make a long game to take over the republic, and kill the new deal and resulting gains of the working class and their unions and resulting rights and power working people clawed from their ancestors.

That was the first iteration, they refined it going forward, but since then they've been on a game plan, cooperating on what they agree on, and keeping their opponents divided and destroying any rival organizations was key amongst those things. Infecting unions with organized crime, then federal law enforcement; fostering a crime wave and The Fear to create a police state and upend constitutional rights; corrupting academia and our conversations, like changing the CPI to understate inflation, 5-8 under the old unfucked number counting, 2-3 under the new ones, 50 years running now ss checks would've been worth 1,300 more a month just by 2008 on average under the old counting to give you an idea.

There is too much to go through, but this is all a concerted effort, and we set against each other and our institutions destroyed if they couldn't be co-opted and captured like the democratic party, and our regulatory agencies in both the federal and state governments. The courts deserve a mention obviously, the federalist society was wildly successful, grooming law students for service to the party and judgeships, and was able to overcome the traditional path of judges to side with the country and the law after appointment no matter which party appointed them, a source of considerable frustration to the republicans around the 1970s as their appointees were often the most progressive despite showing signs of being sold out hacks when appointed.

The federalist society got like 2 billion dollars just from one donor a few years ago, and the founder, Leonard Leo, says he's making a "federalist society for everything." Meanwhile Turning point is being appointed censor of colleges and k-12 where it can get it, grooming the willing, planning on informing on students and teachers, and otherwise gearing up to be the hitler youth. (Fun fact, Kirk rejected the Israel faction's two appointees to his board and rejected their vision for the organization, then was shot, the story is patently false though, that rifle would've turned his neck into hamburger with a fist sized exit wound as gun enthusiasts have demonstrated. The story is off in other ways, so they are lying, covering for someone, lending credibility to Israel's faction doing it, and his widow has since embraced their vision so we will find out where they are going.)

Anyway sorry I'm going off on tangents, but the genesis for this all was 1971, and they wanted these things before, but that was when a large group cooperated together on achieving them and succeeded wildly.

this post was submitted on 15 Feb 2026
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