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[–] 148 points 7 months ago (37 children)

Imagine the world we’d live in if those corpo fucks didn’t screw over Bernie

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  • [–] 62 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Or persecuted Nixon, or Reagan, or Bush Sr, or didn't give up when gore "lost" to bush jr

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    No see taking office when elected by hoth popular AND electoral vote is divisive and bad politics. You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU

    Ah yes totally goes with saying we should punish/investigate criminals instead of going we must only look forward not back so the country can heal. We can't do anything about past crimes

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Probably better than what we have now in many ways but don't get your hopes too high from people who belong to the current establishment. In europe plenty of "good" politicians from alternative parties won elections and guess what? Once in power they didn't do shit of what they promised and ended up licking the boot or corporations like anyone else.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago*

    I got this shit from him after Oct. 7 so don't be so sure

    He has moved away from being this outright shit since then, I will concede.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (21 children)

    He would have been absolutely hamstrung by the the bullshit factory that is the legislature, and nothing good would have happened that wasn’t undone immediately by the next administration.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    Haven’t you been reading the news? Apparently you don’t need congress.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    People are OK with auth right. But auth left? Oh no, that's not gonna happen. The military would coup the shit out of that real quick.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Auth Left is still inherently abusive.

    No matter how much you pretend that it's for the greater good, authoritarianism will always be detrimental to the relatively powerless masses.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Using authority against billionaires is good actually

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but it's not like auth left stops there.

    You can have egalitarian taxation and common sense regulations without being generally authoritarian, and you should.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    So we’re to show no authority against billionaires and their enforcers (police) and validators (law workers/politicians) because it might go too far? Slippery slope claims tend to just reinforce the status quo since it stops people from doing anything functional. The status quo is definitively authoritarian.

    Not saying that it has to, but is there an example of “without being generally authoritarian” out there in the wild somewhere? Because imo every country on earth uses authority to uphold some class structure and my country, even if we had all the things we wanted to make us happier (affordable housing, free medical care and education, public transit, etc) it would still show authority over the global south to maintain itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Iirc the Spanish and Ukrainian anarchists were doing a good job of that while fighting off fascists and monarchists before the communists stabbed them in the back.

    Also the Zapatistas have some territories and practice direct democracy.

    My line is you can use force, organised even, but don't give the state a tool that can, and historically has been, turned on you

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Oh I'm not pretending anything. Just saying that auth left would never get as far as Trump is getting.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    auth left would never get as far as Trump is getting.

    History would very much disagree with you.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Not talking about history. Talking about what would happen today.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    And I'm pointing out that history repeats itself when you don't learn from it.

    Just like the fascists of today are fucking shit up like the ones in 1920s-40s Europe, the auth left extremists would fuck shit up like the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

    The horseshoe theory shitlibs trot out to defame the left may be bullshit (definitely is), but auth left oppresses people because it's auth.

    You just don't get good things from a select group excessively controlling everybody, no matter which group that is and how good their initial intentions are.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The problem with the Democrats is that they still have respect for the constitution and institutions. Otherwise they’d get a lot done.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    I don’t agree. They waited until they lost a supermajority in congress to push healthcare reform (what became Obamacare). And dang, wouldn’t you know it, mean old republicans wouldn’t let us have single payer.

    So we got a healthcare bill that mandated we buy (generally) private market insurance. A bill written by Penny Pritzker, an insurance industry lobbyist.

    It’s kabuki. There’s only one party — the billionaire party.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    No, the problem with the leading Dems is that they ONLY respect the institutions. And their owner donors, of course.

    They'd rather let a million people die from lack of political action than subvert the Holy System or inconvenience the rich people legally (and sometimes illegally) bribing them.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The problem with democrats is that they feign respect for the constitution and institutions when it means enabling fascists.

    They didn't give a shit about the constitution or institutions when they ignored the Leahy law to play arms dealer for genocide.

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  • [+] -10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    We'd have an additional 4 years before Trump fascism.

    Cool.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    At least you’re admitting Bernie would have won in 2016.

    But yeah, I’m similarly pessimistic about the 2016 Bernie alt-history. Too many conservative democrats would have stood against his agenda.

    The electability argument has been proven to be false —Kamala lost, Zorhan won—, conservative dems don’t offer to improve people’s lives materially. What is the positive case for conservative democrats at this point? (Other than “They aren’t as bad as Trump”.)

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