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What am I missing with Matrix? (herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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I will be upfront with this, and say that I've never been a huge fan. But I did reinstall a Matrix server, and some clients to see if it'd gotten better in the year or so since I've last used it.

This just... Kind of feels like a more centralized XMPP with group chat folders that sort of function? The spaces feature is neat, but I've tried 4-5 clients, and every single one of those throws all of them into the same screen as the DMs by default, and I can't find a way to change that.

Am I missing something here? Like. I want to at least see what people like here, I just can't.

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[–] 47 points 8 months ago* (13 children)

I find Matrix to be completely unintuitive. I could probably get to a point where I understood it, but the whole point (currently more than ever) is to get off Discord. That means convincing my normie friends, and ye. There's just no fucking way

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    This. I'm not judging the program based on if I can use it. I need to get my non tech savvy friends onto it as well and this is where so many alternatives fail the litmus test

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Ignoring the missing features, is stoat a better experience for non-techies coming from discord?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    yes, but it doesn't have Al features

    EDIT: Funny typo. Al->all

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, that seems to be the big issue nowadays. Doesn't matter if your friends use Google Calendar, they can send a link and I can subscribe to it with something else. Doesn't matter if my friends use GDrive, I have Nextcloud. But discord? I can't talk to my friends on XMPP unless they're also on XMPP. There are bridges, but that still requires feeding every message to discord, which defeats the purpose. Also my friends would need to be the ones to set those up, and they are not.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    As far as convincing normies I've had limited success (still working on it) getting them to use Delta Chat, just due to the easy onboarding, just pick a name and go, no password even. Got a few on it including my mom who cannot computer to save her life.

    So far the holdouts are a few people of the "I don't want to download a free app, you should spend a fucking grand on an iPhone so we can use iMessage" opinion (literally), and, idk I'm working on it but for people that out of touch and stupid there may be no hope except to be mercifully euthanized.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Matrix at least has potential for the UX to improve especially with vibecoding being a thing now, Discord will always be a bloated laggy locked-down Electron mess with no public API and hostility to third party clients and automation tools

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Matrix at least has potential for the UX to improve especially with vibecoding being a thing now

    A: It does! Given how long it's been around, and this just being... A default experience thing that makes it kinda bad out of the box if you consider that someone might join more than 5 spaces (I know people who're in 40 discord "servers")

    B: I have personally experienced the user experience of vibe coding. I would not recommend anyone else personally experience the user experience of vibe coding. The company I work for has seen production outages like never before since they started doing it. Security issues out the wazoo, like what's going on on the social medias for whatever they're calling ClawdBot this week

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I use it a lot for my own projects, and even with the open weight models it usually gets 90-95% there for more trivial things if you know what you're doing, which GUI development is in the category of, and it has sped up my development. Is also helpful for debugging.

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