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I agree that staying out of debates that I don't have much knowledge about should be better, however I can't just not respond when people spew misinformation about things. Even when I answer with "China is socialist" they counter by saying that it can't be since they have billionaires etc. It's exhausting.
I understand, comrade! For China, it's pretty important to clarify that public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. Looking into that more can help in explaining it.
Are there any sources that I could quickly reference? I know The Deprogram has a wiki that I usually use, but are there any others without having to read whole articles? I'm going to read them anyway, but just as quick info.
Depends on the subject, but my favorites are Jason Hickel's 2 posts on approval rates and whether they are reliable, as well as Roland Boer's 2 books Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners and Socialism in Power: The History and Theory of Socialist Governance.
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Only major thing I need is a source backing the breakdown of the CPC beyond just an image.
Amazing, thanks again
No problem!
theres a redsails writeup with this exact name. + literally existence of wealth and markets doesnt contradict marxist leninist theory u r dealing people who dont know shit about what is communism egalitarianism and the theory most socialist states exist by. obviously the vulgar idea of the communism button is fucking stupid. /nay im not mad at u
China Has Billionaires
Thanks! Was just about to ask for the red sails article.
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tanks comrade :)
No problem!
im glad ur so willing to engage and call out misinfo. u should honestly be proud of urself /gen
Thanks, but it's exhausting tbh
yeah completely! again, as other commenters have pointed out many of these people are difficult to convince since they both dont have as much of a short term interest in overthrowing capitalism like impcore citizens/other petit bourgeoisie or reactionaries, and some are just plainly approaching in bad faith or are really so incapable due to indoctrination to imagine literally any other alternative to capitalism
there’s a lot to be said about the debate culture we’ve propagated that even in lib discussions is completely banal if not detrimental, since it makes unnecessary compromises by even treating fascist and other destructive ideologies as deserving of respect.
in this sense it also extends to those who adamantly push against the historical facts to be anti-communists. once more, if you sense anyone is being adversarial and inflammatory and unwilling to learn actually about communism, don’t waste your time on them!! yes misinformation hurts to see spread (i have a ventpost about this exact scenario where i also reacted visibly to such lies being fed) but at that point, if you can’t fix that situation and will expend energy trying to do so, try to find ways to cope! honestly, online spaces with comrades/people of similar tendencies does actually help + finding people irl especially even if it’s hard/impossible.
this isn’t to say you’ll never interact with a non-communist/anti-communist who cant be reasoned with, sometimes it’s worthwhile to pursue it, but honestly at this time focus on yourself, and really your own pursuit of better political education so one day you can dismantle these arguments easily in less time. i am rooting for you!!!