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'The Chinese government bans all new investment in Israel' (www.ynetnews.com)
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Members of Kibbutz Hanita near Israel’s northern border are demanding $11 million from Ballet Vision, the Chinese fund that controls 80% of the Hanita Lenses plant, accusing it of refusing to exercise an option to purchase the kibbutz’s remaining shares, according to a lawsuit filed in Tel Aviv District Court.

In a response letter attached to the lawsuit, the Chinese fund said that since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country, making it impossible to carry out the option.

According to the lawsuit, in 2021 the kibbutz sold 74% of Hanita Lenses, which manufactures intraocular lenses for medical use, to Ballet Vision for $35 million. Of that sum, $25 million was paid to kibbutz members, with an additional $10 million injected into the company.

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[–] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

What part of fighting on the side of the exploited against their exploiters is always just did you not get?

Might doesn't prove anything. Violence is unfortunately the only language that colonialist and imperialists understand as has already been proven by history.

In your mind was it wrong to use violence on the Nazis? You seem awfully pro status quo which is built on the rape, murder pillaging and mass exploitation of Billions for the comfort of a few millions and the mass excesses of a few thousand.

Edit: what no material, class, dialectical, historical or any analysis beyond vibes does to someone. Pure brain worms.

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    There's nothing wrong with fighting to protect people it's the part where you decide you and your friends get to decide who is right and who is wrong.

    As I said before, you don't know anything about me, so don't presume that you do so that you can justify your righteous indignationand buttress poorly formed beliefs. My family has a long history of military involvement, my grandfather fought from Normandy to Germany and suffered greatly for it. Two of his brothers fought and one didn't come back. My maternal grandmother was Osterbeiter and met my maternal grandfather in a German work camp. All of my family hated Nazis with a passion their entire lives, and half of them also hated Soviets. Don't talk to me like I don't understand fighting for what you believe, and don't tell me I don't understand suffering.

    Military excursions in the name of ideology, particularly when they are done by a superpower, very quickly become imperialism. Thinking China is immune to that is immensely naive.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    More vibes based analysis from one so wise. Fighting the Nazis was good but fighting the order set up by the imperial power the Nazis modelled themselves after is bad. You are a privileged liberal who only cares about what directly affects you and don't care about the rest of us. The global south is being exploited on a scale that would give Hitler wet dreams and your response to people supporting them fighting back is "you're just as bad as the exploiters if you fight back". It's infantile and plainly ridiculous. Grow up. Do some reading, go visit the global south and talk to people and witness the exploitation you are inherently ok with as you condemn resistance.

    long history of military involvement

    Long history of imperial conquest but also fought the Nazis so all the rest of it is ok.

    imperialism

    You clearly don't know what this word means.

    you and your friends get to decide who is right and who is wrong

    We don't decide anything. It has already been decided when they supported genocide imperialism and colonialism. No one forced them to.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You're insulting to me and my family, you know nothing about me, and we've strayed pretty far from the point, which was that any ideological regime given unchecked power will with very high likelihood eventually abuse it to spread their beliefs.

    There isn't any good faith left here. I didn't attack you personally, and I don't appreciate it from you.

    Thankfully, as I said in another comment, although I strongly disagree with many aspects of how my country is organized, I doubt your view of how to organize a country will get much purchase here, other than the aspects which are beneficial and which we attempted to integrate, to our benefit. In fact I'm not even sure you're Canadian so this suggests we have even less of a reason to carry on this discussion.

    Have a great weekend, try not to hate your fellow countrymen, or indeed humanity itself, too much. You're supposed to be presenting a morally enlightened regime after all. Not off to a great start.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What made you think I was Canadian? I never claimed to be? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm Chinese in China all my life. I would never want to be a white settler colonist American dog Canadian. Your country is founded on war crimes and genocide. After world war 2 Canada accepted anyone who had an SS tattoo. Canada like America is a Nazi state who perpetuate the largest immiseration machine in human history on the global south 24/7. I will never stop saying death to Amerikkka, death to Kkklanada, death to the imperial core until my brother's and sisters of the global South are emancipated and liberated from the brutal imperial and neocolonial machine. You can be offended by that but know that your offense comes from your immense privilege, all your treats your "social democracy" is funded and built upon the mass pillaging of the global south and extraction of superprofits. Read a book and stop being such an arrogant insufferable privileged liberal. You know nothing of our struggles, nothing of our beliefs, nothing of our lives and you don't want to know because it's easier to just wallow in centrism providing endless "critique" with no action or solutions.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What made you think I was Canadian

    I didn't, which is why I don't see why I should care.

    I'm Chinese in China all my life.

    Uh yeah, and you think that China is superior and the rest of the world is full of failed humans and failed states. There is no good faith here. Why do you care to defend yourself or convince others?

    We're talking past each other, as I've said to many others on this topic. I'm willing to acknowledge all kinds of great things about China, including the decision in this article, but I'm fairly certain there is no reciprocity and in fact I'm sure you cover your eyes to many of China's failings.

    But I don't need to impress you, I've got a great life, a good family and a job that makes me happy. Try as you might, you just don't matter to me, which is why I said we should both just move on.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    You have read nothing I wrote. You twisted to talking about China and Canada when that was never the topic. You are either a complete fool or have been arguing in bad faith from the beginning (most likely a bit from a and a bit from b) I hope you reflect and better yourself in the future.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Military excursions in the name of ideology, particularly when they are done by a superpower, very quickly become imperialism.

    Connect this. How is a country materially supporting anti-fascism and anti-imperialism a road to imperialism? Tie it directly to Marxism-Leninism in particular. Focusing on vague generalities while ignoring specifics that are inconvenient to your argument is poor logic.

    Thinking China is immune to that is immensely naive.

    Why? Connect the argument, address the claims directly.

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  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you suppose Marxist-Leninist ideology somehow immunizes a nation against imperialist desires or a general desire to increase ones power, which are both arguably part of human nature and certainly part of the nature of a nation-state?

    What is it about any ideology that might make it immune to that?

    Any unchecked ideology will eventually try to assert itself unilaterally. As your previous comments have made clear.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Your argument is still idealist, not materialist, and thus relies on supernatural explanation. Appealing to the idea of a universal human spirit that trends towards imperialism and increasing power is a supernatural explanation for why imperialism exists, and why power structures are formed. Same with the idea thay any "unchecked" ideology will "assert itself unilaterally," which itself could be a good thing!

    Imperialism is caused by capitalist expansion, capital expands outward and seeks foreign markets to plunder in order to fight the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. This isn't because of "human nature" or any other vague and supernatural explanation, but because of material processes of economics.

    If your arguments are restrained to the realm of the supernatural, we can't take them seriously.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You, or at least many of the other commenters that I was responding to, believe a Marxist regime is immune to abuse of power, in particular military strength, and would never enforce its will. I disagree with that, and I don't need to invoke anything you call supernatural to hold that belief.

    You're right, if this is where we are, I'm not sure there is any discussion I would wish to have. And given the overwhelming animosity I've experienced, I'm guessing neither do you or any of the other commenters.

    None of you have given me any indication of good faith, and quite a few have in fact made some rather abhorrent claims about me, someone they know nothing about.

    We should collectively take this as an indication that there is no discussion to be had here.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    believe a Marxist regime is immune to abuse of power

    I don't, though, and neither do other communists.

    None of you have given me any indication of good faith, and quite a few have in fact made some rather abhorrent claims about me, someone they know nothing about.

    I'd like an example, because I don't know how to discuss this otherwise.

    We should collectively take this as an indication that there is no discussion to be had here.

    I don't see evidence that that's the case. I understand that you feel attacked by Marxists, but I don't see what you mean by that practically.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Well I'll be honest you seem like the only one I walk actually having a constructive discussion with, and I urge you to read some of the other replies to me that have insulted my family, suggested I'm a fascist apologist, or even told me to kill myself.

    I don't believe I've gone anywhere near that with any of my responses.

    I hope you can understand that I'm not really seeing any upside to this anymore.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    If you had actually maintained a sense of honesty when reading and replying to the original comments, then it likely wouldn't have spiraled into this. I can empathize with you feeling attacked, but from the onset you weren't interested in good-faith discussion based on how you read my comment and refused to accept any clarification.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Fucking human nature bullshit.

    God I hate liberals.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not worried that you even understand what liberalism is, and I know for a fact you have no idea who I am other than my comment history. Yours, by the way, is not particularly impressive.

    Who did you vote for in the last Canadian election?

    And exactly what was the point of your insertion into this discussion?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Who did you vote for in the last Canadian election?

    What you talking about? You hint that you saw my comment history and how in the world you came to the conclusion that I'm Canadian?

    And exactly what was the point of your insertion into this discussion?

    Calling this "imperialist desires or a general desire to increase ones power, which are both arguably part of human nature" what is it: completely bullshit.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Buddy if you're not Canadian, then why would I care what you think? Thankfully your politics will have little purchase here. I suspect you know very little about my country and I know that you know even less about me.

    On the topic of discussion, you don't understand my central claim and frankly I'm not sure it would benefit either of us to reach any mutual understanding anyway. To start with, you use terms like 'fucking liberals' that doesn't really suggest an inclination to deep thought on the concept of what a liberal is unless it's in a portmanteau with the word retard.

    Au revoir my special friend.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If you're not Canadian why would I care what you think or do, and why would I waste energy on a discussion that is personally insulting?

    kys

    Oh yeah you're a real decent human.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    You're the one that keeping replying bro.

    If you're not Canadian why would I care what you think or do

    That's why I hate liberals they only care about their own personal freedoms and private property.

    Oh yeah you're a real decent human.

    I'm only respond in the properly tone of your smugness debatelord.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What is it about any ideology that might make it immune to that?

    Marxism-Leninism is an explicitly anti-colonialist ideology that helped the PRC overturn the century of humiliation, defeat Japanese and US imperialism and feudalists, to win the greatest anti-colonial revolution of the 20th century.

    Only if you are entirely ignorant of that history can you claim that "the anti-colonial camp is just as bad as their colonizers".

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing about what you've said convinces me that a nation founded on or implementing Marxist Leninist or any other ideological principles is somehow immune to the drive to spread those principles through violence or expansion or whatever other explanation they come up with. I can appreciate that you believe that this system is perfect and would never be unethical or immoral, but I'm afraid I disagree with you, and moreover I don't believe we a) start from the same fundamental values or beliefs, nor b) have enough goodwill to engage in good faith. Nor do I have the time or the desire to rectify any of that, even if I thought it would benefit me in any way to do it.

    Thankfully for me, as much as I have problems with the way my country is organized (which you cannot know, and seem to have no desire to know), I strongly doubt your way of organizing the world will have much purchase here.

    I'm moving on and I recommend you do as well.

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