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'The Chinese government bans all new investment in Israel' (www.ynetnews.com)
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Members of Kibbutz Hanita near Israel’s northern border are demanding $11 million from Ballet Vision, the Chinese fund that controls 80% of the Hanita Lenses plant, accusing it of refusing to exercise an option to purchase the kibbutz’s remaining shares, according to a lawsuit filed in Tel Aviv District Court.

In a response letter attached to the lawsuit, the Chinese fund said that since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country, making it impossible to carry out the option.

According to the lawsuit, in 2021 the kibbutz sold 74% of Hanita Lenses, which manufactures intraocular lenses for medical use, to Ballet Vision for $35 million. Of that sum, $25 million was paid to kibbutz members, with an additional $10 million injected into the company.

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[–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Military excursions in the name of ideology, particularly when they are done by a superpower, very quickly become imperialism.

Connect this. How is a country materially supporting anti-fascism and anti-imperialism a road to imperialism? Tie it directly to Marxism-Leninism in particular. Focusing on vague generalities while ignoring specifics that are inconvenient to your argument is poor logic.

Thinking China is immune to that is immensely naive.

Why? Connect the argument, address the claims directly.

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  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you suppose Marxist-Leninist ideology somehow immunizes a nation against imperialist desires or a general desire to increase ones power, which are both arguably part of human nature and certainly part of the nature of a nation-state?

    What is it about any ideology that might make it immune to that?

    Any unchecked ideology will eventually try to assert itself unilaterally. As your previous comments have made clear.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Your argument is still idealist, not materialist, and thus relies on supernatural explanation. Appealing to the idea of a universal human spirit that trends towards imperialism and increasing power is a supernatural explanation for why imperialism exists, and why power structures are formed. Same with the idea thay any "unchecked" ideology will "assert itself unilaterally," which itself could be a good thing!

    Imperialism is caused by capitalist expansion, capital expands outward and seeks foreign markets to plunder in order to fight the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. This isn't because of "human nature" or any other vague and supernatural explanation, but because of material processes of economics.

    If your arguments are restrained to the realm of the supernatural, we can't take them seriously.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You, or at least many of the other commenters that I was responding to, believe a Marxist regime is immune to abuse of power, in particular military strength, and would never enforce its will. I disagree with that, and I don't need to invoke anything you call supernatural to hold that belief.

    You're right, if this is where we are, I'm not sure there is any discussion I would wish to have. And given the overwhelming animosity I've experienced, I'm guessing neither do you or any of the other commenters.

    None of you have given me any indication of good faith, and quite a few have in fact made some rather abhorrent claims about me, someone they know nothing about.

    We should collectively take this as an indication that there is no discussion to be had here.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    believe a Marxist regime is immune to abuse of power

    I don't, though, and neither do other communists.

    None of you have given me any indication of good faith, and quite a few have in fact made some rather abhorrent claims about me, someone they know nothing about.

    I'd like an example, because I don't know how to discuss this otherwise.

    We should collectively take this as an indication that there is no discussion to be had here.

    I don't see evidence that that's the case. I understand that you feel attacked by Marxists, but I don't see what you mean by that practically.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Well I'll be honest you seem like the only one I walk actually having a constructive discussion with, and I urge you to read some of the other replies to me that have insulted my family, suggested I'm a fascist apologist, or even told me to kill myself.

    I don't believe I've gone anywhere near that with any of my responses.

    I hope you can understand that I'm not really seeing any upside to this anymore.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    If you had actually maintained a sense of honesty when reading and replying to the original comments, then it likely wouldn't have spiraled into this. I can empathize with you feeling attacked, but from the onset you weren't interested in good-faith discussion based on how you read my comment and refused to accept any clarification.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Fucking human nature bullshit.

    God I hate liberals.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not worried that you even understand what liberalism is, and I know for a fact you have no idea who I am other than my comment history. Yours, by the way, is not particularly impressive.

    Who did you vote for in the last Canadian election?

    And exactly what was the point of your insertion into this discussion?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Who did you vote for in the last Canadian election?

    What you talking about? You hint that you saw my comment history and how in the world you came to the conclusion that I'm Canadian?

    And exactly what was the point of your insertion into this discussion?

    Calling this "imperialist desires or a general desire to increase ones power, which are both arguably part of human nature" what is it: completely bullshit.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Buddy if you're not Canadian, then why would I care what you think? Thankfully your politics will have little purchase here. I suspect you know very little about my country and I know that you know even less about me.

    On the topic of discussion, you don't understand my central claim and frankly I'm not sure it would benefit either of us to reach any mutual understanding anyway. To start with, you use terms like 'fucking liberals' that doesn't really suggest an inclination to deep thought on the concept of what a liberal is unless it's in a portmanteau with the word retard.

    Au revoir my special friend.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If you're not Canadian why would I care what you think or do, and why would I waste energy on a discussion that is personally insulting?

    kys

    Oh yeah you're a real decent human.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    You're the one that keeping replying bro.

    If you're not Canadian why would I care what you think or do

    That's why I hate liberals they only care about their own personal freedoms and private property.

    Oh yeah you're a real decent human.

    I'm only respond in the properly tone of your smugness debatelord.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What is it about any ideology that might make it immune to that?

    Marxism-Leninism is an explicitly anti-colonialist ideology that helped the PRC overturn the century of humiliation, defeat Japanese and US imperialism and feudalists, to win the greatest anti-colonial revolution of the 20th century.

    Only if you are entirely ignorant of that history can you claim that "the anti-colonial camp is just as bad as their colonizers".

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing about what you've said convinces me that a nation founded on or implementing Marxist Leninist or any other ideological principles is somehow immune to the drive to spread those principles through violence or expansion or whatever other explanation they come up with. I can appreciate that you believe that this system is perfect and would never be unethical or immoral, but I'm afraid I disagree with you, and moreover I don't believe we a) start from the same fundamental values or beliefs, nor b) have enough goodwill to engage in good faith. Nor do I have the time or the desire to rectify any of that, even if I thought it would benefit me in any way to do it.

    Thankfully for me, as much as I have problems with the way my country is organized (which you cannot know, and seem to have no desire to know), I strongly doubt your way of organizing the world will have much purchase here.

    I'm moving on and I recommend you do as well.

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