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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 7 months ago (23 children)

oh great so the bombs they drop on children in tents will contribute less to climate change!

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[+] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 7 months ago (6 children)

What's your gameplan here? Make things as horrible as possible as quickly as possible so that people are made to act out of desperation?

Capitalism creates it's own innate contradictions, you should be doing whatever you can to build a revolutionary base, so that when things go to shit and they will, inevitably, people will have you to run towards. if you don't have a revolutionary party they will run to Tucker Carlson.

You know very well yourself that there is no revolutionary party in USA. What do you possibly hope to achieve by accelerationism? I can understand why non-Americans would want for your country to just disappear, but come on that's just reactionary logic. It's also unrealistic and won't happen.

I honestly have no clue what the heck is going to happen with the US, but if the only way you can see a revolution happening is by pushing people into the fire forcefully, then nothin good is going to happen.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

How do you get acceleration from what I said? The game plan is to organize a revolutionary party. People are already in the fire telling them to get back in the frying pan is psychotic.

Trump didn't win the election the Democrats lost it. All they had to do was promise to end the genocide and they would have won. Fuck the democrats. Why are you standing up for genocidiars?

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[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Can't you see they want you to be angry and go online to argue with people instead of being out there and helping your own people become independent? Because I believe if American people had a say in their country's destiny I don't think most of you want to do these horrible things the government is doing.

But you need to start supporting each other more to accomplish that. Let go of the barbed wires loaded with arsenic are dividing you. Radically support your country to make it stop what it's doing.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

Again I don't see how voting democrat is supposed to make things better. The guy in the video's only response to the bipartisan drive towards blatant fascism is to vote for the party the is slightly less open about it. If anything good is going to happen americans need to recognize that the democrats are the problem as much as the republicans are. They are a ratcheting mechanism. The republicans make things worse and the democrats fortify those gains into the new normal while the republicans prepare the next offensive. If we want to make ground we have to attack the defensive lines not just defend against the offensive side. We will never win if we keep supporting the enemies defensive forces like they are on our side.

I 100% agree that americans need to be supporting one another but the democrats are the enemy of the working class every bit as much as the republicans.

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[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm telling you that you should be using any power you have, to build your own power, and eventually you'd be able to overthrow your current one. As long as you can avoid becoming a monster yourself in the process.

But it's like you've been conditioned to act like a spring board to escape this simple truth and I don't blame you for it.

Like we're dealing with real life here, not star wars, in the movies the rebels get help from some mysterious benevolent force, that help is never coming if you're counting on that. USSR tried to be that, for that it was killed.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

help is never coming if you’re counting on that.

Exactly the democrats are not going to save anyone. You can't vote the american empire away it needs to be dismantled from the inside (because it has nukes) and you cannot do that at the ballot box. Americans need to organize alternative party structures that can mobilize the masses against the 2 sided fascist party of democrats and republicans.

Asking people to vote for the democrats is reactionary. It is asking people to remember the good old days under sleepy joe and forget that his real name is genocide joe. Its calling people with the siren's song of the first back president obama and forgetting he did drone strikes on weddings and was called "the deporter in chief."

The democrats do not make things better. Nobody should be wasting their breath saying "vote democrat." If they want things to get better they should be telling people to organize to resist fascism and telling them that voting doesn't make things better.

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[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 7 months ago

Yes, but you're not wrong. It's not like I'm disagreeing with you. I don't see voting as anything more than a mechanism to count public opinion, so by itself it kind of really useless, it's just an idea.

What I'm hoping to see, now that we know nobody cares about us and people are waking up to this reality, we'll start uniting against capitalism and use whatever our material conditions allows us to do, to beat them. Instead of going to the past and trying to re-invent Marxism we should be supporting already existing projects. Learning from them.

I'm personally invested in solving issues like unwanted pregnancies and alcoholism as well as I'd like to see cleaner biosphere in my lifetime. Not that I'm counting on it, but I will die trying to make it work.

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[+] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -7 points 7 months ago (15 children)

If you decide to stay at home and argue with people on Lemmy during the midterms, you'll get both.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (14 children)

You will get both even if you vote in the midterms.

When the Dems had the presidency and majority in both houses they told you they couldn't legislate abortion protections because of "the parliamentarian." Even when they have the power to do the smallest thing to make america better for people they don't.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 months ago* (13 children)

Biden passed the inflation reduction act, which included massive subsidies for renewable energy.

Trump revoked permission for an offshore windfarm that was 90% complete as retaliation against Denmark for not selling Greenland.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 7 months ago (12 children)

Massive subsidies for billionaires to make renewable electricity? As the video points out renewables are proven to be cheaper than fossil fuel energy. There is no need to subsidize a competitive product. All biden did was steal money that belonged to the taxpayers and give it to his friends that were building renewables. That is not a win.

Trump canceled a wind farm as pressure for imperialist expansion with no regard for the effects of climate change. Biden used climate change as cover to steal money for his friends. They both suck.

They both covered in the blood of children. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS YOU DON"T HAVE TO SUPPORT MURDERERS AND THIEVES. How fucking stupid do you have to be to not get this?

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Oh shut up.

Putting aside whether your conspiracy theories are even true or not, more money for renewables is better than axing wind farms to pave the way for coal. Have you ever considered that maybe if Biden has friends who make money off renewable then maybe he has a vested interest in renewables succeeding. Meanwhile Trump is taking the money from renewables and setting it on fire just to "spite the libs".

It's abundantly clear that one president has the economic common sense to invest in renewable electricity, the other has the economic common sense of bloody Erdogan.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (10 children)

"I refuse to try anything other than what I have already tried over and over even though it didn't work" "I don't care about brown kids being murdered I just want green energy."

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Oh sure, if you refuse to vote enough times this mystical communist revolution will come about. And in the meantime I'm sure the climate will be fine. We're all prepared to sacrifice a few million children to climate change if it means we can send Democrats a message that "bombing children is bad".

Actions have consequences. You can just have dead children from war, or you can have dead children from war and from climate change (and from the climate change wars too).

I get you're emotional, everyone is. But cutting off your nose to spite your face won't solve anything.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

If you want a better climate there's a fucking Green Party. You don't have to vote for the second worst party. It's not about sending a message it is about not manufacturing consent for the duopoly. By voting for the democrats you are telling them you approve of genocide and that the tiny bit better climate policy is good enough.

The democrats are all still heavily invested in fossil fuels. The democrats don't give a fuck about climate change and are actively genocidal. They do the bare minimum on climate issues and idiots like you eat it up.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (7 children)

We're long past the time of consent being manufactured or not. Abstaining in 2026 is an endorsement of Trump.

The Inflation Reduction Act made America relatively good internationally on climate change. It would have been better if they didn't need the vote of Joe Manchin (a coal mine owner and Democratic senator from a deep red state).

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Abstaining in 2026 is an endorsement of Trump.

No it is not. That is a lie. Do you love to eat shit because you didn't say you love drinking piss? Again independents and 3rd party candidates exist. You don't have to drink piss to prove you don't like to eat shit.

The Inflation Reduction Act made America relatively good internationally on climate change.

No it did not. It didn't even bring america in line with the commitments it had already made. Kill the democrat in your brain they are genocidal monsters who don't give a fuck about you.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

No it is not. That is a lie. Do you love to eat shit because you didn’t say you love drinking piss? Again independents and 3rd party candidates exist. You don’t have to drink piss to prove you don’t like to eat shit.

I said "abstaining", not "voting third party". The fact is that while in 2024 staying home was an expression of antipathy towards the Democrats, in 2026 staying home will be interpreted as an endorsement of Trump. Voting third-party will send a message though, so feel free to do that.

No it did not. It didn’t even bring america in line with the commitments it had already made. Kill the democrat in your brain they are genocidal monsters who don’t give a fuck about you.

I'm starting to feel like communicating with you is a waste of the time. It seems like you consider acknowledging that "the Democrats are better than Republicans" is objectively evil. If there is absolutely nothing you can feel you can give the Democrats credit for, then it's ideology and not reality that's dictating your beliefs.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I'm starting to think that all you want is for the children in gaza to be murdered and ice to deport more people but you keep claiming that the tiny bit better that the democrats are on climate issues is why you want to vote for them.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Again, you're treating me as evil because I acknowledge the Democrats are slightly better.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No, you are and idiot because you are justifying evil by saying someone else is a tiny bit more evil. Just because hitler's concentration camps killed 17 million people doesn't mean that John Wayne Gacy was a good person.

The evil that the republicans do has no bearing on the fact that the democrats are genocidal racist thieves who actively work to make the rich richer and the poor poorer in america and use military force, threats and manipulation to extort Africa, Asia and South America.

Just because W bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't mean that obomber is justified in drone striking weddings. They are all evil people and voting for them is justifying their continuation of evil regardless of what the other party does.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

That's a lot of words to say that you think I am evil because I acknowledge the Democrats are slightly better.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago

No I think it is the perfect amount of words to say that you are dumb as shit because you think morality is retaliative to the most horrific monsters. You aren't evil you are too stupid to be evil.

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