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Valve appear to be not willing to publish games with AI generated content (reddit.adminforge.de)
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Valve quietly not publishing games that contain AI generated content if the submitters can't prove they own the rights to the assets the AI was trained on

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[–] 7 points 3 years ago (7 children)

Good. Until a studio can point to a known-dataset that isn't just ripping art illegally from sources they don't have the rights to use then it's just not worth the risk.

It's not 100% unrealistic that large studios like Blizzard and Riot (who have very clear styles that "work well" with AI generation weirdness) will eventually have huge in-house datasets that they own since it's all created under the umbrella of their employees and contractors who already sign away all the rights when they make content for the games they're working on. But until that happens, it's so obviously a red flag / great area that Valve's move is just a no-brainer.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    When I learned to play Piano, I did so by playing music I did not have the rights to and that was fine. I could take my learned skills and even use it commercially. If an AI does the same, its suddenly a bad thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (5 children)

    If you can't tell the difference between learning as a human being, and selling content that you don't own the rights to, then I don't know what to tell you.

    But you do know, and you're just being disingenuous intentionally.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    He wasn't conflating those two. He was conflating the process of learning for humans and modern AI. You're just being a dick about a really subjective subject.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    A human can "learn" to play an instrument in a vacuum with no access to anything other than the tool itself.
    An AI is literally only able to "learn" when fed pre-made works by someone else.

    Acting like there anything close to the same process is absurd.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    AI is perfectly capable of mastering something by itself. Whether it's chess, or playing an instrument.
    AI just has no inherent notion of what is "good art", because that is a human concept that has no set in stone meaning. The reason AI is trained against our tastes is so that it can produce content that appeals to us.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Here is how I learned to play Piano: I watched videos people posted online and then paid money for someone to guide me.

    Here is how an AI learns: It analyzes videos people post online and then has someone who has been paid money guide it.

    The similarities are obvious. I don't know about other people, but if you threw a tabula rasa me (someone with no idea of what a piano even is) in the wild with a baby grand, I would never have learned to play it never mind play it well. I am willing to bet that goes for just about everyone here.

    Its a scary thought seeing us approach the singularity. Like I said 5 days ago, The AI Revolution is going to be on the scale of the Agrarian and Industrial Revolutions in terms of change. We all like to think we are special, unique, and the pinnacle of life. If a computer can not only do what we do, but faster and better, than what does that make us?

    The fact is that Humans are moist computers wrapped in a fleshy case and we have managed to design something that will inevitability be superior to us in most ways. It will learn faster than us, it will think faster than us, it will create faster than us. I am seeing it before my very eyes. I remember about 10 years ago when Nvidia published their Canvas AI that would take a basic drawing and make art from that. Now I am watching it upscale my old DVD collection into 4k quality. Ten years, twenty years from now I expect it to be able to be able to create whole shows from scratch. Imagine watching Babylon 5 and saying "Computer: Change it so Sinclair stays the commander of the station" and it rewrites the show, revoices it, and reshoots it for you. We so often complain about how bankrupt Hollywood is. AI will make each of us our own Hollywood. A creative renaissance!

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