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[–] 119 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (57 children)

I've thought about the isekai genre (ending up in another world) a lot lately and how a big part is usually the characters trying to find a way home. I wondered what percentage of people would actually want that nowadays. I suspect it's considerably lower than it used to be.

"As for you, young lady, you want to go home, right?"

"No, not anymore. I want to stay here and become the new wicked witch."

"Nonsense! Now click your big honking boots together three times and wish to go home to Kansas to live in poverty with your dirt-farming, teetotaling aunt and uncle!"

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (29 children)

    There's a big trend in recent isekai to just outright kill the character at the beginning. So, you're either reincarnated into another world or your soul is snatched upon death and body recreated in the other world as an explanation for why the character isn't spending their whole time just trying to get back, but I do think that would be an interesting angle to explore.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (25 children)

    I can only think of two Isekais where the whole plot is the main character trying to get home, and the anime fans are gonna hate which two things those are.

    A Kid in King Arthur's Court and Farscape.

    3 if Quantum Leap could be counted as an isekai.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Quantum leap is an Isekai. Getting home is a mainstay of the "Summoned Hero" genre of isekai.

    Anime examples include:

    The Rising of the Shield Hero

    My Status as the Assassin Obviously Exceeds the Hero's

    My Instant Death Ability Is So Overpowered, No One In This Other World Stands A Chance Against Me!

    Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest

    Non anime example: Black Knight

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    I wasn't sure because the only reason I even say A Kid in King Arthur's court counts even though he just goes back in time is because he goes so far back in time, nothing he knew about the world he knows really applies making him effectively in another world. Sam never goes back too far, but, then again, wasn't he also from the far future? 🤔

    Also: Black Knight is basically A Kid in King Arthur's Court which I just lump together. lol

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Since we're talking that era, Sliders was a great show early on and it's a tragedy nobody knows it.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Fabiniku is more along these lines. With the additional twist of the protag's boon being his best friend getting dragged in with him to help him out, so there's some exploration of why one or both would want to go back home.

    ...and genderbending.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah it would be cool to be really overt about it, have the character be perfectly able to go home but they're just like "nah, fuck that place" lol. I'm sure it exists somewhere but I don't think I've seen it before.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    It makes more sense when the isekai is the character getting transported away and immediately placed in mortal danger over and over like Wizard of Oz. Dorothy has a choice of a provincial life where she might grow up and a world where flying monkeys attack her every chance they get and she's never not on the run the entire story.

    If I were isekai'd I would probably be extremely curious about whether I had a connection to my old world. But I wouldn't necessarily leap to go the first chance I got.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    Old isekai had the MC want to go home. Modern isekai has the MC wanting to start over and stay in their new world. You can chart the change based on how dissolutioned young adults are about the Japanese Dream of stable employment and raising a family.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    The fantastic book series Magic Kingdom For Sale is basically about this. I started reading what I assumed would be a lighthearted comedy and it literally opens with our main character lost in alcoholic depression because of an awful tragedy. The fantasy land he's sent to is hostile, but it provides him enough hope to fight for a better world there.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It's bad when the idea of dealing with a fantasy Dark Lord is more appealing than real life. At least it's clear who the good and bad guys are.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I think much of the appeal of these stories, and post-apocalyptic ones, is that they put you in front of problems that are easier to understand and deal with. Needing to find food is a simple concept, even if it can be a difficult task, it's something we have evolved to deal with.

    Emails and taxes, not so much.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm aware of a few early isekai works from like the 80's to 90's (Dunbine, Elf Hunter, and quite a few western Choose Your Own Adventure books and pulp novels fall into this category). It seems to be that as a trend, the premise is that the main character wants to get back to the "real" world and that usually drives the main plot.

    Then theres a big trend of Isekai light novels (and related anime etc) in the later 2000’s to today. These almost exclusively seem to feature characters who just want to live a life in their new fantasy world. Literal escapism, even. Konosuba is notable for being very popular, maybe being around the start of this trend, and the main character is given a task to complete and be returned to the real world, but he just ignores it.

    I guess we can speculate on whether this means people got more miserable in the intervening time.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This was me the whole time playing Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

    Every character except the main character is MUCH better off in the fantasy realm - the main character's brother is literally crippled and sick in the real world and healthy and robust in the fantasy realm, and the main character still wants to go back to the "real" world. Didn't identify with him at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    An ancient 4chan demotivator summarized FFTA as "your life sucks shit and I'm dragging you back to it." You'd think it was fundamentally impossible to have a good story where the message is, escapism is bad, mmkay? But it would be so easy to say Ivalice only exists as a shared hallucination, with the locals they've befriended gradually revealed as shallow imitations of people. Or: say it's a real place which these kids can visit any time... y'know... like players do. Put some ludonarrative assonance on the idea there's a crapsack reality you do need to take care of, to continue enjoying this fantasy.

    On the other hand, as an actual game, Penny Arcade gave it the "Oh shit, is it 3AM?" award.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Campfire Cooking is my favorite one of the newer crop of these.

    His super power is basically Amazon Grocery. He immediately hides that fact from everyone, tells the people that summoned him he's useless, and leaves the country to live "off grid".

    And all that before he even knows how that world works. I'm not even sure he knew he could do other kinds of magic at that point. Natural instinct to GTFO society / authority was something I could identify with

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sword Art Online's original premise sounded kinda fun to me tbh. Though I have a feeling the whole "society makes sure that the players get life support in the hospital while they are stuck" wouldn't work as nicely in RL as it did in the anime. But "can't log out of video game because it'll kill me if I really try" would be kinda nice for a while.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    People were dying because eventually power outages, and people pulling the plug. It was a major plot point.

    But uh there's a reason he goes right back in LMAO

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, I think it was episode 2 that mentioned some people just disappearing to never return and others disappearing temporarily while they were being moved to hospitals and the Nerve Gear having capacitors or something designed to allow it to be unplugged for a few hours before it does the death shock to allow for that.

    It seemed like it wasn't a recurring thing, so most of the players in the game at the end of ep 2 must have been moved to hospitals (or had other life support options).

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    This trope has been explored, sure enough.

    Recently, I recall the comics DIE, although I didn't finish it yet. And also the TV show The Magicians. In both cases one of the crew stays to be a king while everybody else goes home. And time runs at different rates on either sides. And then they meet again. Hijinks ensue.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure what you mean, I don't think I've seen a single isekai protag try to go back to Earth unless you count the "trapped in VR" ones.

    I'm always a little disappointed by how quickly the regular world becomes irrelevant in the story. The intrigue is from how a person from a modern nonmagical culture interacts with a medieval magical culture.

    But from the isekais I've seen, I'd say you could replace half of them with a person with amnesia and nothing would change.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I don’t think I’ve seen a single isekai protag try to go back to Earth

    Wizard of Oz, for one. I'm using a Japanese term because English doesn't have a succinct one for that particular genre, but it apples to media anywhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't think I've seen a single isekai protag try to go back to Earth unless you count the "trapped in VR" ones.

    It used to be the standard:

    • Digimon Adventure (the first series)/Digimon frontier (fourth series)
    • Inu Yasha
    • Monster Rancher

    The only recent example I can think of is Zenshu from last year.

    The intrigue is from how a person from a modern nonmagical culture interacts with a medieval magical culture.

    Welcome to Japan Ms. Elf might be up your alley: a guy finds out his lucid dreams have actually been him getting isekei'd every night for most of his life when he accidentally brings a friend/love interest back with him. She's fascinated by modern Japan so they start going back and forth between the real world and magical world together.

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