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Trump's letter to Prime Minister of Norway. If Americans could read, they'd be really embarrassed right now. (thelemmy.club)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/FuckTheUSA@lemmy.ca
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[–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

Louis 16.

I mean you must be arguing in bad faith here, it's not that because trump&co are fascists you have to find another fascist that got overthrown in some specific way. Also they have been around only for a century. They can be overthrown like any other dictator.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    The french revolution had US support, if not materially, then at least with the sympathies of Thomas Jefferson as Secretary of State giving them legitimacy.

    In any case, the material realities of the french revolution are not comparable to the situation in the US today. The proletariat isn't unified, and the technological disparities are too immense.

    Your paragraph is so vaguely worded that I can't even figure out what point you're trying to make, so if anyone's arguing in bad faith it's you. Besides, who's only been around for a century? The US has been around for two and a half centuries; trumpism has only been around a little over a decade. The deplorable slurry of McCarthyism and Reaganomics that composes the modern Republican Party hasn't been around for quite a century.

    I suppose you mean fascism? Fascism has been around about a century now. Is that what you mean? Because this is a unique variant of fascism; it definitely has all the fundamental characteristics, but with about a century of careful planning, implementation, propagandization, and indoctrination, along with some considerable leaps in technological development which can't be ignored.

    They can be overthrown like any other dictator.

    You mean like Hitler and Mussolini? Because it took an alliance of the world's biggest military superpowers attacking from multiple fronts to depose them, which still might not have been successful if they hadn't made a few critical strategic miscalculations such as overextending their own capabilities while underestimating the capabilities of the Allied powers.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    So purposefully misunderstanding and moving goalpossts "at least jefferson had symphaties" is not something validating your claims.

    I wonder what you are even trying to convey. That usa cannot topple trump without external help (you got a lot of people sympathise with the idea and that seems to be enough for you)? Or are you just arguing for arguments sake?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't move any goalposts. I said

    no revolution has ever been successful without international support

    If you think a revolution can be successful without gaining recognition and legitimacy on the international stage, then you're living in a fantasy world. The difference between "freedom fighters toppling a dictatorial regime" and "rebel insurgents destroying civic order" is the perception and approval of the international community.

    By "international community" I'm not just talking about "every average ordinary civilian" in other countries; I'm talking about the military and diplomatic powers of the world. You can't build a new country/government from the ground up without their approval, and if you think otherwise then you need to put your nose back in some books.

    And no, a lot of people sympathizing with the idea isn't enough either. That helps with rebuilding after ousting the dictator, and it helps maintain a movement long enough to accomplish that goal, but it doesn't solve the technological disparities between a hypothetical civilian militia and the federal government's militarized police force, let alone the actual military. Even the state guards wouldn't hold up long against the full force of the US military; the only possible path to victory would be if it somehow miraculously remained between state guards and federal militarized police forces.

    But you don't know anything about the logistics of war, let alone the politics of it, so you don't know what I'm trying to convey and think I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing? I'm arguing because I don't want to see the entire american left get absolutely steamrolled, which is what would happen if full-scale war were to break out at this time.

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