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Star Trek: Discovery S3E12 "There Is A Tide..."

I haven't actually watched the new show or anything (no untagged spoilers in this thread, please), but this is the general vibe that I get from reading comments from people who have.

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[–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

No, you were listing things you didn’t like about the show. Stand by it.

Anyway, you’re wrong. The EMH is in a position of authority at the academy, and Admiral Vance is in a position of authority over the academy. There’s also a man in charge of the war college. So what’s supposed to be unprecedented here? Just women existing in a military?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I also don't like it, but wouldn't bring it up if it made sense. The war college isn't the focus of the show, I'm sure male characters are in positions of authority elsewhere in the federation, those also are not in the show. Admiral Vance is the exception, yes, but not running the academy, just there to smile at the captain's quirky behavior.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Admiral Vance is the exception, yes, but not running the academy, just there to smile at the captain’s quirky behavior.

    What if I were to tell you that Ake is just there to dole out tough love to Caleb? He's the show's protagonist. Others may have their arcs, but they'll ultimately bend around his story.

    But Vance is the one who gave Aka the job, and ran the negotiations in the second episode. He's had a more prominent and varied role than any of the women under Ake's command so far. And you're still ignoring the EMH, Ake's CMO and our heavily advertised legacy character. You're not being very honest in your arguments so far.

    And you're saying it doesn't make sense for a woman to be in charge of something? Even if there's a prominently featured man both above and below her in the chain of command? And men at the same relative level in other divisions? Do you just not accept Star Trek's premise of an egalitarian future? I'm not seeing how my initial characterization of you was wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The doctor is a character joke and Vance is the exception that proves the rule. Current Star Trek is not an egalitarian future, it's a philosophical mess. I'm saying it's doesn't take sense to over represent women in leadership of a naval academy.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    They aren't over-represented, you're gerrymandering - purposefully drawing lines so that women fall inside your tally, and men don't. If we simply do an objective headcount of the recurring Starfleet officers in the show so far, I get 4 women and 3 men. As even a count as you can get without cutting someone in two, or adding a redundant character.

    And The Doctor is a goddamn treasure.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    In leadership positions, the large majority are women, in a naval academy. That stretches the bounds of plausibility relative to reality, making the choice to do so suspect. Maybe I simply need a different grounding in reality in my scifi than you do.

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