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[–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (6 children) F-eye-otograf-eye? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (5 children) The voiceless bilabial fricative permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (4 children) It's funnier with the Greek letter. Also, the vid you linked says "labial to labial" but as a American English speaker, I have never two-lipped an F sound. Top lip is on my teeth... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) That's my point. "F" should be labiodental, "ph" should be bilabial. It's not the "accepted" way, that phoneme doesn't really exist in English, but it should. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* the voiced bilabial fricative is /m/ how do you make an /f/ sound- voiced or not - with your lips closed? edit: nvm, I watched the video, it's for non-english speakers and doesn't really work without releasing into a vowel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Interesting. Can you record yourself saying "photograph" with two bilabial [Φ]s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago Not really keen on sharing my voice online. It sounds almost identical, just a little softer. You can try it yourself: wherever there's a "ph", put your lips together as if it were a "p", then separate them the tiniest bit and push air through like an "f". Kinda like you're blowing off soup, but without pursing your lips. I think it's basically like the embouchure for a single reed woodwind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (5 children) The voiceless bilabial fricative permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (4 children) It's funnier with the Greek letter. Also, the vid you linked says "labial to labial" but as a American English speaker, I have never two-lipped an F sound. Top lip is on my teeth... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) That's my point. "F" should be labiodental, "ph" should be bilabial. It's not the "accepted" way, that phoneme doesn't really exist in English, but it should. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* the voiced bilabial fricative is /m/ how do you make an /f/ sound- voiced or not - with your lips closed? edit: nvm, I watched the video, it's for non-english speakers and doesn't really work without releasing into a vowel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Interesting. Can you record yourself saying "photograph" with two bilabial [Φ]s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago Not really keen on sharing my voice online. It sounds almost identical, just a little softer. You can try it yourself: wherever there's a "ph", put your lips together as if it were a "p", then separate them the tiniest bit and push air through like an "f". Kinda like you're blowing off soup, but without pursing your lips. I think it's basically like the embouchure for a single reed woodwind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (4 children) It's funnier with the Greek letter. Also, the vid you linked says "labial to labial" but as a American English speaker, I have never two-lipped an F sound. Top lip is on my teeth... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) That's my point. "F" should be labiodental, "ph" should be bilabial. It's not the "accepted" way, that phoneme doesn't really exist in English, but it should. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* the voiced bilabial fricative is /m/ how do you make an /f/ sound- voiced or not - with your lips closed? edit: nvm, I watched the video, it's for non-english speakers and doesn't really work without releasing into a vowel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Interesting. Can you record yourself saying "photograph" with two bilabial [Φ]s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago Not really keen on sharing my voice online. It sounds almost identical, just a little softer. You can try it yourself: wherever there's a "ph", put your lips together as if it were a "p", then separate them the tiniest bit and push air through like an "f". Kinda like you're blowing off soup, but without pursing your lips. I think it's basically like the embouchure for a single reed woodwind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) That's my point. "F" should be labiodental, "ph" should be bilabial. It's not the "accepted" way, that phoneme doesn't really exist in English, but it should. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* the voiced bilabial fricative is /m/ how do you make an /f/ sound- voiced or not - with your lips closed? edit: nvm, I watched the video, it's for non-english speakers and doesn't really work without releasing into a vowel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Interesting. Can you record yourself saying "photograph" with two bilabial [Φ]s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago Not really keen on sharing my voice online. It sounds almost identical, just a little softer. You can try it yourself: wherever there's a "ph", put your lips together as if it were a "p", then separate them the tiniest bit and push air through like an "f". Kinda like you're blowing off soup, but without pursing your lips. I think it's basically like the embouchure for a single reed woodwind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* the voiced bilabial fricative is /m/ how do you make an /f/ sound- voiced or not - with your lips closed? edit: nvm, I watched the video, it's for non-english speakers and doesn't really work without releasing into a vowel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kometes@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Interesting. Can you record yourself saying "photograph" with two bilabial [Φ]s? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago Not really keen on sharing my voice online. It sounds almost identical, just a little softer. You can try it yourself: wherever there's a "ph", put your lips together as if it were a "p", then separate them the tiniest bit and push air through like an "f". Kinda like you're blowing off soup, but without pursing your lips. I think it's basically like the embouchure for a single reed woodwind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago Not really keen on sharing my voice online. It sounds almost identical, just a little softer. You can try it yourself: wherever there's a "ph", put your lips together as if it were a "p", then separate them the tiniest bit and push air through like an "f". Kinda like you're blowing off soup, but without pursing your lips. I think it's basically like the embouchure for a single reed woodwind. permalink fedilink source parent
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