[SMBC] JPEG (lemmy.world)
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[SMBC] JPEG

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[–] 36 points 8 months ago (50 children)

GIF is an acronym first and foremost. Acronyms are invented by their creators who get to decide the pronunciation. No one is arguing that NASA, LASER, RADAR, MRSA, etc. are pronounced any differently because they don't follow 'English language rules'.

I knew someone with the initials A.S.S. They didn't go by that, they went by Ace. They came up with that because their initials reminded them of it and they liked it better. Are you instead going to call them Ass because you know that's what their initials spell, even though you know that isn't the name they want to go by?

The pronunciation is devoid of the spelling with acronyms. It never matters, and is always decided by the creator. With GIF they chose the pronunciation for several reasons:

  • it's a pun meant to sell a product.
  • products are easier to sell when they're memorable. Back in the early days of computing you had to work hard to spread what you'd done over what someone else had done
  • it's fast, like jiffy
  • they wanted to hitchhike off of the success of the peanut butter brand

Notably it's not one person that is deciding this pronunciation, though Steve was the inventor, the entire CompuServe company agreed on the pronunciation. It was written in the manual, and even the creators of .png agreed with the pronunciation (https://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngintro.html)

Here is a picture from CompuServe's magazine showing the correct pronunciation (it's a product, it has a correct pronunciation) (you can read the entire article here )

Another fun fact

CompuServe used to distribute a graphics display program called CompuShow. In the documentation for version 8.33 in the FAQ section, it states:

The GIF (Graphics Interchange Format), pronounced "JIF", was designed by CompuServe and the official specification released in June of 1987.

The image below is an example GIF that came with CompuShow:

It is a picture of CompuShow's author, Bob Berry. He used some of the then-new features of the GIF89 format to display text on top of graphics. One of the lines he entered in the text states:

Oh, incidentally, it's pronounced "JIF"

You can't see this text within a web browser, but if you save this image and load it up in GIF Construction Set or another animated GIF89 editor, you can see the comment for yourself. Drag and View also displays this text, but kind of screwed up. For further proof from Bob Berry, check this out.

Steven O'Neill writes: Another way to get the JIF line out of Bob Berry using standard Unix tools:

~>curl https://www.olsenhome.com/gif/BOB_89A.GIF | strings | grep JIF
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time % Time  Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent Left  Speed
100 37062  100 37062    0     0  69595      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  166k
|s,Oh, incidentally, it'spronounced "JIF"

fun quote about the subject:

Anyone who pronounces "GIF" with a hard G simply does not understand computer programmers (and any programmers who still insist on this silly pronunciation are simply unfit). No decent coder would pass up an opportunity to inflict a horrid pun on the world. And seeing as peanut butter is one of the principle three programmer foods (the other two being Pepsi and nacho cheese Doritos), the reference is immediately obvious.

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  • [–] 67 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You don't understand how language works. Someone can indeed come up with an acronym and insist that there is a correct pronunciation. But we, the masses, can correctly decide that it's stupid and use a better one.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    And absolutely none of that applies to proper nouns, especially not completely made up ones. The public doesn’t get to decide how to pronounce my name, I do. Same for any proper noun.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Of course you do get to have a preference for how people should pronounce your name, because you are a person who can have a preference. They way you just apply that to all proper nouns is wrong, though. An acronym is not a person. It has no preference to how it wants to be pronounced. We, collectively, can absolutely decide that the way it once was intended to be pronounced is utterly dumb and pronounce it in a much saner way.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This is all very well thought out and I think for the most part is true that what the original creator wanted should be respected.

    2 counter points however...

    1. Sometimes the creator comes up with a stupid name.

    2. Sometimes cultural influence is simply more powerful than the Creator's original intent. Exhibit A: everyone calls it "The Bean" and not "Cloud Gate" as named by the artist. Not an acronym, but I still think cultural influence should be considered.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (23 children)

    The public decides. That's how language works. It's Gif with a hard G.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    You're assuming "the public" has reached a uniform consensus, which it certainly hasn't.

    Your argument is like a politician saying "people love me, they say I'm the best." It's an appeal to an abstract entity as a placeholder for your own opinion.

    Even if you had data backing up your claim, that would still be an appeal to popularity, which is a logical fallacy.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    You're assuming "the public" has reached a uniform consensus, which it certainly hasn't.

    I have literally never heard someone say "jif" outside of an online post claiming people do.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Both pronunciations are acceptable because different people pronounce it different ways. That's how language works. Eventually one or the other pronunciation may win out as so few people pronounce it any other way. We're not anywhere near that point yet.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (14 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    MRSA

    In the UK we call that M-R-S-A (and we've had enough well publicised outbreaks in hospitals for people to become familiar with the term). I remember watching House when I was younger and being confused about what the fuck "mercer" was.

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    [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Posts to non political community

    Chooses the most controversial topic

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    There is no GIF war. Just those of us who were there when it was new and those that came after who don't know how to pronounce it as intended.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Non political? Who has the power to define these acronyms? Who appointed her the Acronym Tzar?

    Does MPEG have too much power? Licensing fees are fine?

    😉

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ghsot of Tolkien: It's pronounced Jandalf

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    As a defender of the word-origin pronunciation approach, I can actually get behind this.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Arguably, it's not the same as P doesn't take on the F sound unless H is also there; G can have a soft pronunciation all on its own. There's no inherent illogic in the acronym, on its own.

    People are going to pronounce things as they want to pronounce things, in the end, but (for the creator of the comic) to argue that GIF and JPEG (in this particular scenario) to be equivalent is of shallow consistency (but maybe that's because the general counterargument I hear most often is something along the lines of, "That's not the sound that G makes").

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I'm going to go further and say "ph" should always be pronounced [Φ]

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    [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone knows that if someone wants us to pronounce gif as jif, then jpeg is gaypeg. Thems the rules.

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    [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Helen has a point. I think I'm going to pronounce it that way now.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    New front: file format by the name JIF already exists.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Tbh that I'd accept

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I just realized this sounds like a slur.

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    [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Oh no you don’t!

    Shut it down!

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    My left eye is twitching after quickly reading this once, and again more closely.

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